Yamaha 250 HPDI

[Josi]

ok, I've read everything everybody has had to say about this motor a little too late. We bought one in July 2005 (a leftover 2004) and were burned. 64 hours on it and it's the powerhead. To make it short dealer wants to replace powerhead (not an option for me) or trade it for an upgrade to the 4-stroke but will only give me $11K for the motor I just paid $15K for. What a joke! We are sending a letter to Yamaha asking for the entire $15k to go toward the purchase of a 4-stroke. <br /><br />Have spoken with a lawyer who says we may have a class action suit. Does anybody know of one already pending? <br /><br />I did a search and found that in 2004 Yamaha settled with someone (details omitted) with a refund/exchange on something due to product failure. I think it had to be that motor. I don't understand why if Yamaha knew of these problems why they just wouldn't pull them off the shelves? Money money money that's what it's about I guess. <br /><br />Also, has anyone who has had problems with these motors had a favorable outcome? <br /><br />Thanks in advance. Josi - Wilmington, Delaware

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

ill tell ya if you have an attorney and they contact yamaha your gonna lose, you may eventually win but your gonna lose.<br /> trust me on this.<br /> no class action is going on that I have heard of, yamaha stood behind its written warrenty so its a moot point. you have no case. however if your sweet on the phone and in your letters and DO NOT mention lawyers and such you will find the coperation can be a lot more flexible than a dealer.<br /> myself, after replacing 250,300 powerheads, would be hesitant to own one.<br /> but if you threaten,get nasty or mention an attorney your problem will be handed off to corperate legal, your boat may be drydocked a bit.

 

[John from Madison CT]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

Take the $11K and run. In a few years, you'll be happy to have the 4 stroke.

 

[JRJ]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

FYI, Ed's has 250 HPDI's @ 12K and 250 4-s's @ 15K. Sorry about your problem. I would hesitate to spend any more money with a dealer that didn't warn me about the 250 and 300 troubles. You will enjoy the 4-stroke 250 whatever brand you buy.<br />Good luck.

 

[Josi]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

It gets worse....We paid $16,400.00 in JUly for this monster. When all this happened the dealer gave us a written quote of $21k for a 4-stroke. We had a friend call the same dealer and ask about a new 4-stroke. They told him $15,247.00 plus $1,000 rebate toward an additional year of the warranty! The 2006 4-strokes are only $16,400.00! Oh by the way in case anybody is in the Delaware Beach area. The screwing dealer is Short's Marine in Long Neck, Delaware. We'll be passing the word locally. It's not libel we have proof of everything they've done and said. We can be very resourceful when we need to be. I'll let you all know what ends up happening. <br /><br />Thanks guys, Josi

 

[Josi]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

Rodbolt....didn't I see on other postings that you are a Marine Tech for a Yamaha dealer? <br /><br />Josi

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

josi<br /> I have been called a bit worse at times.<br /> I also do some work for mercrusier and Volvo but I try not to tell everyone .<br /> with anyluck come march ill be able to finally get my final sticker as a master tech, figgure with that and 3 dollars I can get a cup of coffee.<br /> but if you will deal with a decent dealer and call yamahas consumer help line and be sweet you will find coperate yamaha can do miricales. they have a bit of latitude that a dealer franchise does not.<br /> go off the deep end and threaten and bad mouth and you will find its an uphill run.<br /> seen it to many times.<br />remember, its not the dealer that you need to convince its coperate yamaha, call them explain the situation, maybe even explain that while you really like the yamaha product you think this particular one may not suit your needs and ask what kind of deal can be struck, such as paying the difference in cost from a 250HPDI to a F250 and you pay the labor to do the swap.<br /> the swap should be 4 hours or so as the same ign harness's and tach is used. only thing different will be the removal of the oil tank from the hull.<br /> but we have some 250 HPDI motors out that have hundreds of trouble free hours, a few had an early powerhead replacement but thats why yamaha does warrenty.

 

[flatsfisher57]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

Rodbolt is right yamaha is realy good at taking care of customers if you keep your cool and talk to customer service they will help you out and the 250 hpdi the early ones did have a little problem but with the updates done it seems to have taken care of the problems their is alot of them out their trouble free as long as the maintenance is kept up with they run great

 

[Josi]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

Originally posted by JRJ:<br /> FYI, Ed's has 250 HPDI's @ 12K and 250 4-s's @ 15K. Sorry about your problem. I would hesitate to spend any more money with a dealer that didn't warn me about the 250 and 300 troubles. You will enjoy the 4-stroke 250 whatever brand you buy.<br />Good luck.

Hi...could I please have the dealers name with these prices. <br /><br />Thanks, Josi

 

[JRJ]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

edsmarinesuperstore.com<br /><br />Ed's Marine Superstore<br />12080 Washington Highway<br />Ashland, Virginia 23005<br /><br />804-798-6654

 

[BW23]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

Josi,<br /><br />I'm very familar with Shorts. Drop me an e-mail at dtaski@yahoo.com.<br /><br />I boat/fish out of Long Neck.

 

[S.O.L.2]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

03'250 H.P.D.I.-BLOWN POWER HEAD AGAIN WITH 10 DAYS OF WARRANTY LEFT. 12HRS.ON NEW POWER HEAD<br />BEFORE PROBLEMS AGAIN.REALLY SCARED OF PUTTING SELF IN DANGER BY LOSING POWER IN ROUGH WATER,BARGE TRAFFIC ETC.WELL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THIS TIME.TRIP #08 OR 09 AND 4 DEALERS LATER WITH GOOD SERVICE AT LAST DEALER BUT HARD TO MAKE CHICKEN SALAD OUT OF CHICKEN CRAP?THOUGHT IT WAS FIXED SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE ONLY TO BARELY CROWL BACK TO 3 TOURNAMENTS LAST YEAR MISSING 1ST AND BIG BASS IN FIRST TOURNAMENT OF YEAR.ALMOST A YEAR LATER IN SAME OR WORST SHAPE,<br />WELL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.WONDER IF ANYBODY PUTS THEIR TALE ON THE LINE WITH THESE MOTORS OR IF THEY STAY REAL CLOSE TO THE RAMP LIKE I DO NOW.

 

[dorkhead]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

Josi Hi I live in Wilmington and also have a place on Banks Road right near Shorts Marine. I have never heard a good word about them. Bad part is I don't know of any dealers/mechanics that I trust. Seems when I put my boat in a shop I pay thru the nose and the problem is still there. It sucks. But I love boating so what's a boat lover to do. Mike

 

[rodbolt]

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SOL<br /> you did not say where in the world your located but you have a hull issue or an engine subsystem isue NOT a mechanical issue.<br /> the two biggest reasons for failures is overpropping or fuel delivery.<br /> all MUST be checked after breakin and before any WOT operation.<br /> the only way to properly check it is with a laptop, a timing light, a medium fuel pressure gauge and a fuel system vacum guage while the engine is running at WOT. if that motor is not propped a couple hundred RPM above its max it will detonate pistons. if there is any fuel restrictions anywhere it will pop a piston.<br /> there are many many filters on that motor including one that is non servicable and can only be checked by looking at the fuel rail pressures while its at or near WOT.<br /> a lot of dealers especially freshwater areas dont see enough 250,300 HPDI motors to become familiar with them. 90% of the tech reps on the phone have never actually worked on one so they are behind the curve as well.<br /> that being said my rump still puckers eveytime I service one. but I know where to look if I see a failure. if its #2 look at the oiling system, especially if the piston skirt shows signs of siezing.<br /> your techs,especially at the second failure should have asked yamha for the extra time to do a total teardown and inspection of the piston skirts.<br /> to many times I see techs get in a new powerhead and transfer all the subsystems to the block assy only to have a repeat failure just after engine breakin. and most times its the exact ame failure and can be traced to a prticular subassembly.

 

[S.O.L.2]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

RODBOLT-JUST GOT HOME FROM WORK GETTING READY TO TAKE RIG IN.BEING THE FIRST BUS.DAY SINCE FAILURE.I'M FROM ILLINOIS AND YOUR RIGHT ABOUT NOT MANY TECHS THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE MOTORS.I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE I RECEIVED AT LAST DEALER BUT WAS ALMOST 300 MILES ONE WAY,(SO 1200 MILES THERE AND BACK TWICE)AND STILL PROBLEMS.FACTORY SENT OUT TECH OR HAS ONE IN THAT AREA THAT HELPED INSTALL POWERHEAD AND ALSO HELPED WITH FIRST 3 OR SO HOURS OF BREAKIN.I HOPE THERE IS A PERMANENT CURE FOR THIS.PURCHASED WARR. UP TO '09.WE WILL STAY ALITTLE CLOSER TO HOME FOR REPAIRS THIS TIME BEING THAT THE LAST TRIP TO DEALER DIDNT PAYOFF LIKE I HAD HOPED.MAYBE NOT ALL THEIR FAULT?MAYBE SOMETHING FACTORY REP.THAT HELPED TO INSTALL POWERHEAD MIGHTA AND SHOULDA CAUGHT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT TOU WROTE ABOUT IN YOUR REPLY.(NOT POINTING FINGERS BUT LOOKING FOR HERO)i figure yamaha will get sick of paying for this labor as i know i am (lets not go there) <br /> I AM RUNNING STOCK YAM T-1 ON SKEETER BASS BOAT.ANYWAY WAS RUNNING ABOUT HALF THROTTLE THIS TIME AND ONLY RAN A SHORT DISTANCE BEFORE PROBLEM.<br /> i appreciate your time and knowledge AND HOPE YOUR RIGHT.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

did it detonate all the pistons or what?<br /> after the second failure it was time for a thorough diagnoses of the setup. its possible on a light hull the ECU will lean out the mix and crate problem due to the ECU sensing the load via the baro and air temp sensors combined with the TPS and crnk position sensors. it can be monitored with the lap top. the fuel pulse width determines the fuel/air mix and the ECU sets the timing according to a pre programmed map. its lso posible you hve a defective oil line check valve, there are six on that motor. they are esy to test nd the test specs are in the service manual.<br />all it requires is a vacum pump like a mity vac and some tubing.<br /> whats a stock yamaha T-1?

 

[210reata]

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Don't get me started on YAMAHA's FAILURE to take care of it's customers!<br /><br />now this is where I just need to tell myself to breath.....breath.....

 

[210reata]

Re: Yamaha 250 HPDI

Josi,<br /><br />if your still thinking class action, send me an email, I don't think they stand a chance, nor do I belive they can play that game with todays laws here in America! If they want to play by the rules of Amercian Trade, they must follow thru. The bigger they are the harder they fall. Don't use lawyers, call them and be nice - bull! That's nothing but menipulation!<br /><br />Yamajunk has screwed enough people and I'm one of them.