Gale Sovereign 35

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Looking for a manual or some way to fix this motor, don't have enough $$ to buy a new motor can anyone help
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Gale Sovereign 35

Sure, we love old outboards here. Can you provide a model number? Check between the two transom brackets, just above the reverse tilt lock switch.<br /><br />PS - Gale's are Johnson/Evinrude engines in disguise. Parts are easy to find and usually cheap, and the 35hp engines are pretty easy to wrench with simple tools. Good news huh?
 
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Re: Gale Sovereign 35

the Model No. is 35DE13B, I have the engine some what torn apart cleaning up the pistons. Can't get the fly wheel off thought. This motor has been sitting under a Apple tree for around 20 years. I am getting compression and gas to the carb.
 

Paul Moir

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Ok, that's a 1960 35hp with Electric start. That one is is most like the 1957 Johnson/Evinrude 35hp (and like half the '58s), and shares a lot of parts with the '65-70 33hp engines (cowlings excluded). They also share a lot of parts with the other big twins (30, 28, 40hp engines from the '50s and '60s). Pretty near top of the line in it's day.<br /><br />First thing I would do is check for spark. If the ignition system is healthy, you should be able to draw 3/8" long sparks off each line. The spark plugs do not need to be in for this test.<br /><br /><br />There's only one way to get the flywheel off, and that's with the proper puller. A cheap and common replacement for the proper puller is an automotive 'harmonic balancer puller'. Get the beefiest one you can find. I think I paid $14 Canadian for my one (a 'Lisle'). You'll need three 1/4"-20tpi bolts to go with it 3 or 4" long since the pullers never seem to come with that size bolt. Grade 5 or better.<br />Remove the three bolts holding the ratchet to the flywheel, and set up the puller. Crank down on it hard, and if the flywheel doesn't pop up crank a bit more. Then lift up on the puller/flywheel to take the weight off the crankshaft and tap the puller bolt's nut.<br />When reassembling, if you do not torque the flywheel to precisely 105ft/lbs, the flywheel key is guaranteed to shear. Usually at the worst possible moment.<br /><br />The very best service manual (by far) you can get for your outboard is a factory one. Reprints are available from kencook.com maxrules.com marineengine.com and theoutboardwizard. If you don't want to buy one, you can probably borrow an aftermarket manual that covers the '57 35hp from your local library. <br /><br />Have you run a compression test on it yet? What numbers did you get if you did?
 

CATransplant

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Re: Gale Sovereign 35

Congrats on your new old outboard. You'll find that several folks here own one that's almost identical to yours, and there's lots of help here if you run into trouble.<br /><br />Listen to Paul Moir. He's got the hot scoop on these things. I can help, too, with this outboard, since I've done most of the fixes commonly needed.<br /><br />If you have to pull the flywheel, you'll need to hold it still while you remove the big nut. Someone came up with a great holder. You make it from common 1/8" steel bar stock, about 18" long, drilling holes to match either two of the three holes around the center of the flywheel, or two of the holes for the bolts holding the starter gear. You'll especially need this simple tool when you go to torque the flywheel nut to 105 ft-lb.<br /><br />Your outboard uses J4C Champion plugs. Use the Champions. They're gapped at .030". Points, which are accessible for adjustment through a little cover on the flywheel, are gapped at .020".<br /><br />Fuel to oil ratio is 24:1. That's one quart of TC-W3 outboard oil to six gallons of gas. Don't listen to anyone who says you can run it at 50:1.<br /><br />Parts like coils, points, impellers, etc., are available from Sierra Marine. NAPA stores stock Sierra Marine parts. Be sure you're looking for the '57 35hp parts. Some of the 1958 35hp models were a slightly different design, using a different water pump housing.<br /><br />If you need a carburetor kit, though, get it from a Johnson dealer. It has the new plastic float. The carb kit from Sierra doesn't come with a float, and the old cork float is a nice thing to replace when you overhaul.<br /><br />I think, but am not certain, that the Gales from that year incorporated a fuel pump, unlike the Johnsons and Evinrudes. If that's the case, your fuel connector on the engine will have two prongs, not three. If you need a new tank and pump, and it has two prongs, then it's the standard, non-pressurized OMC connector. That will help you. If it has three prongs, then it's the old pressurized tank. You can find these on eBay all the time, along with kits to rebuild them.<br /><br />Let us know how you're doing with your outboard and don't be afraid to ask questions here. We want all these old OMC motors to keep on performing useful service on the water.
 

F_R

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Re: Gale Sovereign 35

With all due respect to Paul Moir, that flywheel torque is incorrect. It should be 60-65 ft/lbs. Later 40hps were 100-105.
 

stand watie

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Re: Gale Sovereign 35

HI, everyone,

just joined the forum, as i just bought a '59 gale 35HP sovereign, with all the accessories (a functioning, ONE-owner one, no less- lucky me!), this afternoon. it mainly needs NEW PAINT (faded, stained, chipped).

does anybody have a '59 sovereign OWNER's Manual??? or a PAINT-match set for gale (YES, there's at least a dozen colors of WHITE, believe it or not!)???
i would buy one or pay someone to xerox theirs, if it's not for sale.

also, i have the SECOR manual for 55-72 OMC, if anyone needs copies of pages, as well as several other old outboard books for reference.

i'm also a member of the Cheasapeake (Virginia) Chapter of AOMCI.

thanks for reading this, sw:):):)
 
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F_R

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I assume you are aware of Peter McDowell at nymarine.ca for exact matching paint?

I have used Krylon rattlecans to touch up my '59 Gale and it matches pretty well and is pretty decent paint. Now that I said that, I have two cans of the stuff sitting on my workbench and don't remember which one I used. One is #3555 Dover White and the other is #1504 Ivory Gloss.
 

stand watie

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F-R,

THANKS for the tip on krylon spray paint.

i'll also take a look at their different shades of white & see if one matches. i did NOT know about the other source for "authentic" colors.(i've been "out of the game", doing other things, than outboarding for >20 years. i'm recently retired from the US Army, btw.)

one other question: my local NAPA store sells sierra parts for OMC, but cannot reference parts w/o a parts number. do you know of an evinrude and/or johnson "interchange list" for GALE parts???

thanks, sw
 

F_R

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If the Gale part is the same as it's cousins, J/E, the part number is the same.
Thanks for your service to our country. I was a draftee back in the old Army.
 

stand watie

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F-R, all,

to F-R: and THANK YOU for YOUR service to the republic as well.

to ALL: another query: does anyone have access to a "downloadable picture" of the "gale sovereign" logo/trademark from the late '50s/early '60s???
if so, i would like to see it, so that i can have a "polo shirt" made with that logo for AOMCI shows/meets.

thanks, sw
 

F_R

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One of the aomci guys had some Gale logo T shirts made. I got one from him. Now if I could remember who that was! Brain fade.
 

stand watie

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how very well i understand "brain fade"!!!! (the longer i stay retired the better i understand it)

nonetheless i hope SOMEBODY here has a good "downloadable" copy of the Gale Sovereign tradestyle.

thanks, sw
 
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