115 omc filler blocks

SKEETR

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I was reading through a few old posts in regards to exhaust. Is it true that you do not need to install filler blocks and can get more horsepower without them? I also read that they should be installed slightly lower than deck they bolt into. I was planning on having a machinist plane the whole thing flat. Mine are not too bad, just a bit low on the top corners. The only thing I could think of in regards to keeping them a bit low is that maybe heat could expand them more than the surrounding manifold and create leaks in the gasket. Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

You don't need them, in fact the motor runs a tad bit more rpm without them. If you use them you don't want any part past the gasket surface on the block. In is OK, just not past so it would hold the manifold off the gasket.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

so do you recommend removing them all together?
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

If it were my motor and I had it apart anyway, yes I'd take them out.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

Hmmm I appreciate your opinion. Getting a little worried though when considering where all the heat will go. Not to mention the carbon buildup in the cavity without them. Any other opinions out there?
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

The heat has more room to get out. And since there's less heat, there's less carbon. Now, if yours is full of carbon and the blocks are melted / twisted, the motor is being lugged severly. Even more reason to leave them out. There won't be anything in there to hold the heat. That will help some but the lugging needs to be corrected.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

Thanks for the reassurance. Yea she was luggin bad when I bought her. My local boat shop gave it a clean bill of health after 500 bucks a new set of plugs a filter and some gear oil. Hence my journey began to learn all I can to my own work and yet another brick in the wall for mechanics in general. At least the ones I seem to use. It actually was running with melted starboard pistons unsynced carbs and pebbles packed in the t-stats and other places. "compression check ok, runs good" my ***....... Thanks again for the tips.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

I dropped my 115 cross flow block off yesterday at flagship a marine machine shop needs all four bored 30 over and the exaust plate surface decked and he tells me i need new 160 dollar filler blocks and i told him i was gonn run without them he told me bad idea could cause the pistons to burn up!!!! WHAT is going on i am getting conflicting info HELP
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

I'd be hard-pressed to imagine a better source of info on this subject than DHadley.

All you're doing is making an expansion chamber - every two-stroke engine has them and they're tuned to a specific RPM range. I'm guessing (and I may be totally out on a limb here) that increasing the WOT RPMs to run with today's gas changed what the filler blocks were supposed to solve by pushing the expansion chamber into the mid-section.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

Let's answer a question with a question........

Is it true that you do not need to install filler blocks and can get more horsepower without them?

Now.......How much of a gain in horespower should one expect via removing the filler blocks? Is this really worth the added machining to do this? I'd guess, for the average joe, it wouldn't matter a hill of beans with or without them and that you'd notice very little difference......if any. Opinions?
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

I'll tell you how we found this. Years ago a good buddy was rebuilding a 140 on a commercial boat. As expected the filler blocks were all half melted and twisted and broken. Obviously the motor was being lugged severly, not unusual on this type boat.

Obviously my buddy wanted to replace the blocks but the commercial guy didn't have the $$ for new ones and the necessary machine work. We both agreed that they should be replaced but the owner insisted they not be.

OK, fine. My buddy said he'd rebuild the motor but he wanted to break it in and run it to make sure it would be OK. He asked if we could run this guys powerhead on my ski boat motor, another 140 - just a couple years older. No problem, but we both expected it to be down slightly on prm, not down on power necessairly but rpm.

Well, it turned about 150 rpm more than my ski powerhead. Hummm.....

We were running a 140 type crossflow on the Allison race boat at the time. Stock powerhead rules. We were at about 7200 with it. Took the blocks out and poof - 7400. If you get looking, once the blocks are out of the way the exhaust has a lot more space to get out and into the adaptor plate. The bottom 2 cylinders could shoot exhaust straight out and down without going thru the manifold. The top two coud exit either thru the manifold or down & out.

OK, we'll take this one step further. We cut the filler blocks in half and put the top ones in each side and left the bottom ones out. That way each exhaust was kept completely seperate until it exited the powerhead.

That didn't change a thing. Same as running no blocks.

Over the years we've left them out of several V4's. Not many people see the difference in 100 or so rpm. The bottom line is - it doesn't hurt a thing.

Later we tried that with a 235 V6. At 5800 we lost about 50-75 rpm by taking the blocks out.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

Interesting DHadley, and it kind of goes back to my hairbrained theory of expansion chambers.

The way 2-stroke exhaust is tuned is the sound waves in the exhaust chamber are timed with max rpms so that the reflected waves from the exhaust pulses hit the exhaust ports while the piston has them closed. This eliminates any feedback from the exhaust system effecting how exhaust exits the chambers. Change the max RPMs, and you change the sound wave reflections you need to tune for. I'm betting removing the filler blocks changes the acoustics in the exhaust chamber to better match for 6k+.
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

Dhadley, was there a noticeable difference in sound as a result of pulling the blocks?
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

You don't need them, in fact the motor runs a tad bit more rpm without them. If you use them you don't want any part past the gasket surface on the block. In is OK, just not past so it would hold the manifold off the gasket.
I have just read the thread about the exhaust filler blocks in a Johnson 115 . I have a similar motor that I am trying to get rebuilt but the OMC 039200 "exhaust filler blocks" is no longer available from any parts outlets, and mine have corroded badly.

After reading the thread on this you indicate that you do not need these.
I was wondering if in your testing you noticed how leaving them out affected fuel consumption as you indicated that they allowed the motor to rev out.

I am stuck between a rebuild with new +030 pistons cost in AUS dollars is $3,000 if I can get away without the filler blocks. Otherwise I will need to source an new second hand motor.

Whats your thoughts
David
 

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Re: 115 omc filler blocks

Jeremy, the guy at Flagship Marine was correct. The V-4 needs them but you can run the V-6 without them. Been there.
 
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