140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

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i just tried to start my boat to winterize it and it wont start. i charged both batteries and still no luck. the boat wasnt started since the last time i used it in july. there was some moisture in teh engine compartment from the rain being in the boat witht the cover on. i let it sit out these past few days with the cover off and the engine cover open but still no luck. please help i would appreciate it.. thanks..
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

Jeff, <br />More info is needed to help you with your problem.<br />First of all, what engine do you have? <br />Is the starter turning engine?<br />Is there a spark?<br /><br />Please, provide more info...
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

:) I missed the title :) sorry<br /><br />Still need info on what's happening when you turn ignition key?
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

Are you only concerned with freezing? Or are you wanting to get it ready to go for next season?<br /><br />DougV>
 
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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

140 mercruiser 1986 i/o .. i want to winterize it for the end of the season. i usually change the lower gear oil and the oil and plugs and all in the spring.. she turns but does not start. i even charged the battery the other night and tried again to start her but it turned but wouldnt turn over. it worked fine last time out. i took the plugs out(4) of them and they looked fine.. she only went out a few times this season. last was back in july and i havent started her since. i did open the engine cover and let it dry out. there was so moisture from having the engine cover and boat cover on. i took off the dist cap and it is dry. the boat mechanic wants cliose to 3 bills to winterize it. i already bought the stuff to do it plus 300 is way to much to winterize it.. it took me about half an hour last season to do it. please help. im ready to sell her.. nothing but problems with her.. thansk
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

It's entirely possible that your fuel has gone bad. I've had this happen with my boat a few times when I've let it sit for 3 or more months with less than a full tank of fuel. I've been able to get the engine to burn the fuel, but it required starting the engine with ether (starting fluid). Seems like the old fuel didn't have enough potency to start the cold engine. <br /><br />Either way, a can of starting fliud is an excellent diagnostic tool. Immeidately lets you know if your problem is fuel or spark related.
 
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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

i had filled it up before i went out back in july and only went out into a cove about 10 minutes away. maybe burning a 1/2 gallon at best. so i dont know if its the fuel. i also took out one of the plugs and turned the engine over and did not notice any spark.. i had the plug attached to the wire and sticking into the cleat that is used to pull the engine out so im sure it was grounded. im really getting fed up with this boat,, please help,, thanks
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

Remove the Drain Plugs...... 1 in the block... 1 in the exhaust manifold... 1 in the Riser.... Disconnect the Hoses.....<br />I'd drain the outdrive,+ engine oil too....<br />Just let it Drain.....<br />If there's No Water.... It Can't Freeze....
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

Not an expert, and hope this isn't too silly, but is the emergency cut off switch lanyard in place?
 
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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

cjf.. what is that???????? the emergency cutoff lanyard??????????? ive heard of that on a jetski.. but not on a boat... let me know
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

if there's no spark, check the points. go easy with the starting fluid. u can always pour a little gas down the carb, see if it starts that way. if it does u probably got bad gas. make sure the coil connections aren't wet.
 
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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

everything seems to be dry... can gas go bad.. i get gas at the same place all the time.. even in my cars and never had a problem. how do i check the points.. im not too mechanically inclined. but eager to learn.. i couldve boat a brand new boat with all the money i dumped into this one already.. went out there a little while ago and still dont turn over. someone suggested it might be flooded. i let it sit overnight from yesterday if it were fklooded which i doubt could leaving it overnight dry it up?
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

Gasoline does go bad. I can't remember the chemical specifics, but some molecular compound starts to break down. Old gasoline has a very distinctive smell to it (nothing like fresh gas), so if you don't think the fuel smells funny then that's probably not the problem.<br /><br />Do you know if your ignition system uses points? If your boat is a 1986 model, I would think it uses electronic ignition. Either way, they basically tell the ignition coil to fire at a precise moment. Points are mechanical and need to be adjusted and/or replaced on occasion. Electronic ignition is much more robust but can also fail over time. You're going to need a voltmeter and probably a service manual to test the ignition system to make sure it's getting power.<br /><br />Ignition systems usually don't have fuses, but you may want to check any and all fuses on the boat. Also, make sure there aren't any loose wires on your ignition switch. Boat ignition switches seem notorious for coming loose, and when they get twisted around the connections can come loose.
 
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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

it does use points .. it has points condenser and coil.. i dont know where to begin with all this.. i guess im going to have to learn more and more about boat engines.. i always brought everything to the mechanic, but with the way they charge.. im going to have to learn how to fix things. and with all the help here .. im sure ill be fine.. thanks again.. still no luck with starting her up.. still turns but doesnt start.. arrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

hello<br /> double up a piece of 120- grit sandpaper. rubb it vigorously between the point contacts and fire that hummer up. the contacts on your points probably sat open and oxidized. clean them and go play<br /> good luck and keep posting
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

I think Rod Bolt nailed your problem. I have had this happen many times when the engine sits for a while in high humidity. I dought the gas is that bad in just a few months.<br /><br />Buttanic
 
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tried the sandpaper trick.. no luck with this either... i have 2 bucks for gas,, looking next for a match... please help
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

If you have a volt meter check the voltage between the positive wire on the coil and the block. In the run position it should be 9 volts +\- 1 volt. When the key is in the cranking position it should be 12 volts. You can use a 12 volt test light if you don't have a meter. It isn't as accurate but at least you can see if you have power on your ignition wire. Also look at the points to see if they are opening and closing as the engine turns over. The thickness of a match package is a quick way to set the clearance on the points. I think it is supposed to be .017" -.019", Please correct me if I am wrong. Someone (sorry I can't remember who) on this forumn had a great tip for checking the points. If you put a test light across the positive and negative of the coil and crank the engine, the test light should flash off and on. This will indicate that the points part of the equation is okay. If the points test okay and you still have no spark I would suspect the coil or secondary wires being the problem as being the problem since you said that you had no spark.
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

Jeff -<br /><br />First, I don't think you've mentioned earmuffs and a garden hose, but you do say you haven't worked on the boat much. This is NOT causing your problem, but if you are working on a trailer, you do know that you have to provide cooling water to the sterndrive, or you'll fry the water pickup pump impeller when you get it started, right?<br /><br />Second, you need to buy a manual and read it this winter. I bought the Clymer manual for my 1974 Merc 140, and between that and a few forums on the Internet, I've learned a lot (and fixed a lot).<br /><br />In the short term, I agree that you need to determine if the problem is fuel or spark. I agree with checking the voltage at the coil positive post. I had a problem with that. My 140 has a resistance cable in the wiring harness, and that cable was deteriorated. When it got hot, the resistance would climb, the voltage would drop, and my Pertronix Ignitor electronic conversion would shut down. In your case, it is possible that the harness or some connections got corroded because of the moisture. A simple voltmeter test will tell you. Then check for spark from the coil to the distributor, and then from a plug boot--but get a manual or find instructions online on the right way to do this, and be careful. When you know you have spark, you can then check for fuel. Carefully look inside the carburetor to see if two small jets of gas are squirted in when the throttle is moved all the way forward. This requires removing the flame arrestor--if you don't know what you're doing, and aren't confident that you can do this safely, then hire a mechanic to work on the fuel system. I have a mechanically-oriented friend who was burned badly while working on his fuel system. Make a wrong move, and gas can kill you. Starting fluid, as mentioned above, can be helpful in diagnosing the problem, but you have to be really, really careful with it. I don't want to sound like the warning label police, but to mess with this stuff without at least a manual is not wise, in my opinion. Have you checked for water in the gas? Maybe you're just pulling water into the engine from contaminated gas in the tank. It's happened to thousands of other guys. Do your spark plugs look OK? It's possible your spark plug wires got wet and are shorting. You could try some spark plug wire dryer spray (read the directions on the spray can), or replace the wires. How did the rotor and the inside of the distributor cap look? If the cap's cracked, and things got wet, that could be a problem.<br /><br />Didn't your 140 come with a little book called the Pocket Service Guide, or something like that? Mine did. It has pages of troubleshooting tables.<br /><br />Finally, as mentioned above, you can winterize it without running it. If you do, absolutely pull each plug and squirt a little Marvel Mystery Oil into each cylinder, then put the plug back in. Turn it over once or twice. You won't have the engine fogged (which some guy's skip anyway), but the oil will help inside the cylinders. Then spray the block, manifold, riser, etc. with a good anticorrosion spray, trying to avoid the wires.<br /><br />Good luck on it, but be careful. Let us know what happens.<br /><br />Steve
 

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Re: 140 i/o merc wont start. need to wintrerrize.. help!!!!!

My brother calls me a couple of weeks ago and tells me that he can't get our fathers boat started so he/we can winterize it, I go check things out and found the problem, no dang gas in the tank, but fuel gauge was reading 1/4 tank, in all fairness nobody thought to look at fuel supply, since boat was filled up and only got about 5 hours use, and gauge appeared to show fuel So it was thought to have plenty of gas, just to make sure I was right, primed the carb with a bit a fuel, turned key it fired right up, poured a couple a gallons into tank and it ran.
 
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