1955 rde-17s still backfires

johnjay28

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i posted on this problem a couple of days ago and followed advice but still have the same problem. i replaced the coils, new plugs gapped at .030 cleaned points, with emery cloth, gapped at .020 , replaced plug wires , stranded copper wire type. have contnuity between points when closed and no continuity when open. grounded plugs to head and have spark when cranking. when cranking with starter about about every 2 to 3 secounds there in the same old backfire thru the exhaust and no start. i have cleaned out the fuel bowl, i removed the plugs and cranked it with full choke until fuel came out of carb. under butterfly. ran a compression check and both cylinders were at 95 psi. compression held steady and did not drop. i have ordered a service manual for this model but dont know if it will have any trouble shooting about this problem. if someone has had this problem and located the problem please let me know. i also rotated the flywheel by hand and with my finger on the plug opening i could feel the pressure and then the sucton which tells me that the suction reeds are working. is there any timing on this unit. please advise thanks . john PS. also the plug wires are in the same location as when it was running a couple of years ago so they are not crossed. sorry for the long post
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

Check to make sure there is no damage to key way or the key in the flywheel/crankshaft joint. If found good. Check to see thats points are set to .020 on the high lobe of the cam, at full advance. After that you have the wires crossed. The front most coil is for the #1 (top) cyl.
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

One more thing. Did you reinstall the cam the correct side up? They are marked.
 

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If you have a question on part#s ask here.
 

johnjay28

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

you mentioned about full advance. what is that? this is my first encounter with a boat motor. i am learning thanks to this site.the hi spot on the lobe is where the keyway is on the shaft.
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

The stator must be fully advanced (full throtle position). Roll #1 piston to tdc, set stator to full advance, set points. Did you install new point sets? Maybe you need to?
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

i went to full throtle #1 piston tdc and set points at .020 front coil. same for piston #2 tdc set points. still no start and backfires. i have changed everything except the points and condensers. i guess thats next unless i get some more info. thanks again. john
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

John<br />Is it posible that when you changed the coils you hooked them to the wrong set of points? Try switching the plug wires between cylandars 1 and 2 and see what happens. just a thought (cause its something I could have done)<br />Richard
 

johnjay28

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

i changed the coil and wire one at a time and identified the rear coil wire to connect to the bottom piston as it was before. thanks
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

Switch the sparkplug wires and try again.
 

alcan

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

Johnjay, what's gong on? Did you get to the bottom of this yet?
 

johnjay28

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

i have not resolved the problem yet. i did switch the wires and when i tried to crank it over it seemed to hesitate as if it was under a lot of compression and when i would release the starter the flywheel would stop like if it had brakes. so i swithced the wires back. i should receive a manual for this model today or tomorrow hopefully it will contain some troubleshooting in it. thanks, john
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

You never did say that you double checked the point cam. Is it installed properly?
 

johnjay28

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

the point cam has never been removed and the motor ran great prior to sitting for a couple of years. the only things i haven't changed are the points and condensers. i will be going to corpus christi tx. tomorrow and pick up set at a johnson parts & repair shop and perhaps i can get to talk to one of their techs. about this problem. will post when i return.
 

johnjay28

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

i ordered and received points and condensers from iboats. the condensers were for the 1955 rde-17 and were a bit longer than the ones that i removed. i installed them gappedthe points and cranked it up and was i shocked when it started up. thanks for everyones input. i am sure learning a lot by reading all of the posts. my next step is to replace the lower end seals/o'rings and impeller then FISHING!!!!
 

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Re: 1955 rde-17s still backfires

Good job Johnjay, glad to here your success.
 
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