1959 Super Sea Horse

[78whiteorbs]

Got this the other night with the boat and trailer while looking for just some dash instruments for my old Duratech Marlin. Got the boat trailer and motor all for 40 bux! I know for a fact that the remote Johnson Ship Master box for throttle and gear shift commonly goes for about 50-60 bux give or take so I am really happy about this find . Thinking about restoring this for my next project. Cannot find any info on the boat though it was registered currently (expires this year) as a '69 " ArroGlas " as was stated exactly by the Wildlife Agency records. Can's find any info on the boat can anyone help here?

About the motor, everything under the hood looks to have been serviced within recent years. I have been reading alot since acquiring this and am curious about some things. When I pull the starter rope , it is extremely hard , the first night I thought the motor was siezed up but after looking again the second day (in the lgiht!) I could turn the flywheel and the prop turned while in gear also there was a "thunk" . Next I tryied pulling the rope adain and it pulls out like maybe a foot or something(that is as far as I can pull it) but turns the flywheel and motor a little but not enough to start the engine. What should I look at hear?

I read about a tapet valve release or something to that effect that is suppose to be somewhere on the back of this engine to make pull starting this engine easier, anyone know about this?

Why does the back piece come off to expose two holes, what is to be accessed here?

First step I know is to buy a manual for this but I wanna make sure that before spending that 30-40 bux that the engine is in fact restorable? Any ideas on the course of action to take here? I know I could sell the bejesus out of parts here ,it all looks really good underneath the hood and the lower unit and prop are pretty good shape and must have ran not to long ago from the looks of things.

Also about the fuel tank. I have one that came with it with a bulb and two lines (I think this is refered to as a siphon tank ,or?) and a fuel gauge on top ,it is a 6 gallon plastic type. I have another '57 sea horse 18HP engine and it has the old metal gas tank with the little bulb on top of the tank ( referred to as pressurized tank right?) Which is suitable? I can post some pix but I wouldn't think to use a "plastic tank" with a '59 would work unless this was some retrofitted tank specifically made for such. Really wanna dive in head first but have learned about testing the waters first from past experiences !

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

Here is a link with more photos.

http://www.marineengine.com/discus/messages/12478/221269.shtml

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

$40? What a screaming deal! It is in rough shape but it sounds workable. I'd pull the plugs and spray some oil in to see if you can loosen her up. Is it electric start or manual only?

Yes, some of the older 35's had a compression relief to help pull starting. Not sure if it was on the '59 though as I've never had one. It's a flat bar that runs from the top of the recoil start to the back head. Then when you pull the rope tie bar opens 2 small chambers to increase the volume of the cylinders and lower the compression ratio. But it is only engaged when one uses the pull start.

Can you take pics of the inside of the engine?

BTW, it's supposed to look like this:

http://www.old-omc.de/j_1959/seite_1011.jpg

 

[Chinewalker]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

'59 35hp had a fuel pump so you need a vented single line tank with a squeezie bulb in the fuel line to prime...

The engine is very restorable - check your PM...

- Scott

 

[78whiteorbs]

Darrr she blows~

Darrr she blows~

Degreased the engine and here's some pix. So far i have found a few things that make you go huh's. Went to drain the lower unit oil and was ready for some action only to find in disaapointment , What? there's no oil comeing from here! Dry! Now it shifts into forward and reverse fine and the prop rotates as should when I turn the flywheel . later I discovered why the LU was dry.

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

Looks like some JB Marine Weld from the inside and out will seal it up nicely. Wonder how that happened though, unless the previous operator hit something, I couldn't imagine. I won't let it discourage me though, would you?

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

Scott, having trouble with PM's. I like what you got though, might be a month for me though what with Xmas and all.

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

What is the difference between RD-21 , RDL-21 , RDS-21 , RDSL-21 .

I am assuming that one is an electric start and another is.......
Trying to figure that out , also I need to know what my '59 35 HP Super Sea Horse is . I have no ID tag to determine this. Need to get some rebuild kits, for carb , and water pump, ignition system, etc.

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

make sure u put a 24:1 fuel and oil mixture tcw-3 outboard oil. so thats 1 quart to 6 gallons of gas. yes u need to take the carb and rebuild the ppl here have numbers for basically everything. i just finished restoring my 1959 10hp also i think it looked better then the whole white 35hp but urs is more horse so im jealous. ur gear oil will most likely need changing and see if theres any water in it or metal shavings. the water pump will most likely just need a impeller depending on whether u need a whole new housing etc depends on condition and how the water pumps. check compression cylinders should be 10%% within each other. fuel pump diapraham will most likely need changing. the fuel filter i believe is in the carb at the bottom glass bowl and will need to get a rubber washer for that to reseal it again. the hardest thing would most likely the ignition system. coils points condesors and new wires about ur kill switch now sure if u had one but mine did. need new fuel lines easy since urs isnt a pressure tank. when u take it out for a test run u might have to rehub the prop so go trolling a few minute then floor it to check and see how it does should be a constant pushing power until top rpms.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

Did you take the pull starter off? Too bad its not electric start but you can get the parts if you want to do so. And it does have the compression relief. It's that flat bar sticking up from the head. I t should connect to the pull starter via a built in cam like device.

I would not worry too much about the crack in the LU. I had one like that and I removed the skeg and used a propane torch and an aluminum rod and it patched up nicely. I still use the engine., Mine was caused by water in the LU and it froze over the winter and it looked exactly like that. Pushed out from the inside. Are you in a cold climate?

Oh and the difference between the RD and the RS? I believe they changed mid year. If there's an 'E' in it it's electric and the 'L' is long shaft.

Oh, and I have the pdf parts manual for the '57 35hp RD-19 and the '58 35hp RD-19C if you want them, send me a PM. If it's an RD they will be close, but if it's an RS it will be different, but it will be close either way I believe. as I've never had one, someone else will know better than I.

 

[F_R]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

"s" means electric start. Can't always make sense out of everything one sees.

You better tear into that gearcase and see what else is damaged before you go spending a lot of money. A bunch of rusty bearings is a deal killer.

If that passes inspection, on to the magneto. More $$ lurking in there if the coils are shot, and they almost always are. Add points, condensers and new plug wires.

 

[mikesea]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

i wouldnt try to fix the crack with anything other than a weld,but,shop around,there are lots of old eng salvage yardsyou may even pick up a decent complete unit on ebay,absolutly remove the flywheel and any slight sign of cracks in coils which is beyond common change em,even if you have spark,after eng heats up ,you will likely loose the spark,the flat piece of metal that is screwed to the arm on the head is part of the compression relief system,it can be removed,there were many lower units that interchanged with that eng including 40 hp into the mid 60's ,i wouldnt put to much into it,ive seen those engines in decent shape for a couple hundred in recent yrs

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

Yes , I have the recoil starter and the compression relief works as it should when pull starting. I am pulling the flywheel tomorrow and will post pix. I removed the inspection plate and the magneto coils look like new from what I could see. How and where do I access inspection for the bearings to see if they are rusted or not. I got an offer for a starter and a generator and a toothed flywheel and some other odds and ends off a "similar"engine,I think a 40 HP 1960 or '61 from a PM for 40 bux .I was told I had a water choke carburator from the looks of it . I will take apart and inspect and post pix, I appreciate all the help , I am learning alot here. Great bunch of folks here. BTW the motor came from West Virginian Mountains and now resides on Lake Norman in Mooresville "Race City USA" North Carolina

I also have a another '57 18 HP Johnson that is in pretty good shape but that is for another thread. I would much prefer 35HP to push my 14 foot Arrow Glass Runabout. Also have a 16ft aluminum Duratech Marlin, just gotta figure out where to put what....alot of possibilities here , makes sorting them out a bit difficult .Which would be the best route? Hmmm, anyone that would work effectively and I'd be happy!

 

[Chinewalker]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

That's fine - the cowling isn't going anywhere soon. I'll tuck it away for now. Drop me an e-mail when you're ready for it...
- Scott

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

The ID tag is up under the front motor pan, on top of the transom clamp/bracket.

 

[mudslinging79]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

i would see bout converting it to electric start, even with the compression release, its still a bear. if i remember the starter would just bolt to the bracket on the gearshift side, and you need a flywheel with teeth on the outer edge, remote solonoid, etc. the 58 i had was in a flood, siezed, and it ran like a top after it was unsiezed.

 

[78whiteorbs]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

Where might one find a solenoid? Anyone have a part number or years of motors that would match?

 

[pcrussell50]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

i'm out of town for a while, but i'll try and get some pics of mine up to studyas soon as i can. mine has the starter _AND_ the generator, so you all can see how it's supposed to go together.

-peter

 

[mudslinging79]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

dont know the part numbers, on mine the back foot-foot and a half was a shelf from the stern to about 6 in in front of the motor. the solinoid stard setup is like the remote setup ford uses. the solonoid was in a box on the shelf, with the connections inside the box. then there is a wire going to the starter from the box, as well as 2 or 3 smaller guage wires for the choke and the kill circut.
the motor had a multi plug quick disconnect port that the end of the harness for the wires from the box screwed into, so the motor could be removed easily.

 

[mudslinging79]

Re: 1959 Super Sea Horse

if memory serves, it was about on an even line with the shifter lever piviot mount, but a lil forward for clearance,