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1960 Johnson outboard<br />model# RSD- 22 C <br />serial # 2131862<br /><br />Ok fellas, I have yet another question for you. What is the box, wires or module called that plugs into my motor? Is that the power pack? Also, is the battery recharging system and main leads hooked into that component?<br />Does the motor already put out DC, or does some rectifier have to be pluged into it in order to change it to DC?<br /><br />Please give me some ideas. I'm really working hard today so that I can take my six year old boy out fishing soon.
 
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is there anyone out there that might be able to spare a few moments. I would be most gratefull!
 
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Sorry, but you're asking on a Saturday night. :) <br /><br />Your engine does put out DC if it has a generator. This would be just port of the carburetor, opposite the electric starter and connected to the flywheel via a toothed belt.<br />As for the 'Box'. I think that would be called the harness as it contains a solenoid, a regulator and some fused. The function is rather different from a 'Powerpack'.<br /><br />You don't need the 'box' to make the outboard operate. Just isolate the wires coming from the generator, and the two black wires that ultimately come from the magneto up underneath the flywheel.<br /><br />Hope this helps. I wouldn't trust any of it until a Sober Sunday morning. :D
 
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<br /><br />Hey Rod... This what you're trying to do??? LOL!
 
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Here is a pic to ref to. I do not have a generator. However I did find the two black wires comming from the magnetos. One of them seemed to go to ground? or so I think...I was checking ohms, however I could have been reading through a coil...and the other one went over to this what lookes to be a fuel pump. Now is one of those leads the one which I would hook to the positive sid of my battery for charging? Also, the white wire comming from what seems to act like a mercury switch on the throttle- is that a kill switch wire?
 
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magneto :eek: <br /><br />Sheesh - that sounds like an airplane! :cool:
 
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OK, neither of the black wires from under the flywheel should go to ground. If it does, you won't have any spark. One goes to the plug on the outside of the case, and is used to kill the motor.<br /><br />The other goes to a switch on the port side of the engine that is a vacuum safety cutoff. The mercury switch is also part of the kill circuit.<br /><br />If you don't see a generator, then you don't have any generator on that motor. Most of these have no battery charging circuit. Some added a generator, but they're pretty rare.<br /><br />You need a manual for this motor, for sure. It will have a wiring diagram.
 
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Ok, thank you all. However, is it possible that they would have put an electric starter on this motor without having a way to charge the battery system? The reason I ask is because my 1968 Wheelhorse Tractor is somehow recharged by the magneto. I'm not talking about any heavy amperage draw, just enough to keep the thing charged.
 
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Sure. Most outboards of that vintage don't have generators. Not needed, really. With a fully charged battery, you can crank that engine until the cows come home. The battery is only used to run the starter, and then it just sits. Nothing else on the engine requires battery power.<br /><br />The magneto is independent of battery power completely. It's not like an automotive engine. In fact, if you used the rope starter on that engine, you could leave the battery at home and run it forever.<br /><br />When I was a kid, and that was a long time ago, we all knew this to be true. Now, mind you, I never did such a thing, but a boat sitting on the water could be borrowed at any time. No key was required. You'd just rope start the engine and go for it. Again...mind you...I never did such a thing.<br /><br />Seriously, just charge your starting battery at home, then don't worry about it. It won't go dead unless your engine won't start and you keep grinding it and grinding it. In that case, you need to work on the engine.<br /><br />Later motors did include a stator that could charge the battery, but not those earlier ones. It's really not a problem, I guarantee. Just keep the battery charged up before you go out. I just hook my charger up overnight after a day on the lake, and charge again the night before if the boat sits for very long.<br /><br />I remember my family going camping for two weeks with one of those RD motors. Never charged the battery in the entire two weeks. The boat started every time.
 
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If it has mangnetos, once the engine is running, the magneto is mechanically driven, which produces the spark charge, and sends it directly back to the spark plug, bypassing the battery all together. The only way the battery could be charging, is if the starter didn't disengage, and once started reversed flow to act as a generator. Either way - the engine should run without a battery. If your interested in keeping the battery topped off, just get one of them $40 solar panels that have aligator clips. I think I saw a reasonable sized one that produces 5W somewhere in the 15-20V range or so. That would keep the battery charged up!
 
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ok, but what I'm trying to say is... I know the magnetos produce the electricity for the spark. I know that the motor can start and run without a battery. But, I suppose there is no real way of telling what those wires are outputting without taking a multimeter and checking it-<br /><br />I did like the idea of a small panel.
 
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not the sparkplug wires- the ones that look like there comming from a stator.
 
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Those are wires that are used for grounding the points to shut the engine down. They produce no electricity at all. Your motor has no facility for generating any electrical output other than to the plugs.<br /><br />One of them goes to the vacuum safety switch. The other goes to the wiring harness to be connected to the ignition switch to kill the engine by grounding it.<br /><br />That's all there is. You're looking for something that is simply not there on your engine. Some had an aftermarket generator, but most did not.<br /><br />It's a very simple system, but it works just fine, as many here will tell you who have these engines.
 
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Or,,, you could ditch the Johnson all together, and go full electric drive! Then, you could cover the entire boat in solar panels! :D
 
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hey...thank you CATransplant, Paul Moir, and Osh Kosh B'Gosh Josh for everything!<br /><br />you guys are the best!
 
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