1963 Evinrude Lark V: water pump rebuild kit?

SteveVT

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Hi thanks to all for answering my ignition questions on this motor in another thread. It's now running, but almost no water out of the upper exhaust.

Now seems I need to look at the water pump and lower unit. I did happen to get a new impeller already, but no gaskets or seals.

Can someone tell me what water pump rebuild kit is correct for this motor? Part number(s)?

Thanks very much!
 

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Well, I'll bet somebody here could rattle it off the top of their head, but until then..

​Got a model number for your exact engine?
​I rather enjoy part searching and would be happy to look around till you have an answer.. LOL
 

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Hi thanks to all for answering my ignition questions on this motor in another thread. It's now running, but almost no water out of the upper exhaust.

Now seems I need to look at the water pump and lower unit. I did happen to get a new impeller already, but no gaskets or seals.

Can someone tell me what water pump rebuild kit is correct for this motor? Part number(s)?

Thanks very much!

Maybe it is OK. That motor has a thermostat-controlled recirculating cooling system. When the 'stat is closed it is in recirculating mode and water is being returned to the pump for recirculation, with only a bit being discharged to keep the exhaust cool. At idle speeds, and a good pump, it might not get warm enough to open the 'stat. That is because that bit of discharge is being replaced by cool lake water, which is enough to cool it at idle. The thermostat is constantly sampling the temperature and opening and/or closing as necessary to maintain proper temp.
 

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jbuote, thanks! The model number is 40373D. I believe it's the long shaft, and has the electric shift. I would definitely appreciate knowing what to get, if only to have on-hand.

F_R That would be incredibly good news -- I've been working every day on this boat and motor (Thompson Sea Lancer and Lark V) for half a month, and my family really would like to get out on the water before Fall. It's been stored in a garage by my father in law for 25 years, and we bought it from him.

I'm really not looking forward to tearing into the lower unit for now if it could be avoided, next spring I wouldn't mind renewing anything worn. Everything has to be ordered by mail here. there are no outboard repair shops nearby. It is taking forever to do this one dicovery at a time. Anyway I do want to get seals and gaskets to have on hand now.

So here's all I know so far re. diagnosis. I was able to start the engine yesterday after replacing all major ignition components. For water supply, I am using a Tempo fitting and pressure water to the pickup fin. That came with the boat. The engine isn't in a barrel. The water is coming from a pressure pump and hose on a nearby stream that definitely runs cold even in summer..

I was having trouble at first getting it to idle, but believe I have the low speed jet adjusted to sustain at what sounds like a slightly fast idle to me -- hard to tell with an open exhaust and no experience of this engine. Lots of water coming out of the lower exhaust port. A slow drip running down the leg out of the top port.

I haven't tried running it more than a fast idle for about 5 minutes at a time -- the slow drip out of the top made me worried. I kept checking the cylinder head temp with my hand, and it wasn't hot feeling. I mean I could hold my hand on it, so at least the outside was below 150 F.

I did see a video of one with a reently replaced impeller in a barrel being run fast, and it did have more water coming out of the top port -- and that's what worried me. But if as you say, no upper port circulation will be seen unless a thermostat opens, then indeed the constant cold water and fast idle may not be enough to show true impeller working.

Is there a way I can check the water pump operation without disassembling the leg? I also haven't checked the lower unit oil yet, I have been waiting for Type C oil (mail order again) to arrive. It looks to me like my father in law must have used 90 weight, because I found it in his spares kit.

The other worry for me is the Selectric shift. Fingers crossed that I won't find problems there. At present if I pull the shifter back into the SHIFT area the motor RPM is too low to sustain. I have to keep it in the START area.

I'm hoping this is just a matter of adjustment. Not sure how fast the engine should be turning at idle, and where that would be located on the shifter. Unfortunately the owners manual is very sketchy. I do have an optical tach I could dig out. It would be good to know what the idle speed should be for this motor. I have a manual, now, but haven't found that info yet.

Anyway, thanks for all the help here. Friendly folks onboard this site...
 

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#1, you cannot test a water pump by running on a hose attachment. In such a situation, the pump is only allowing hose water pressure to pass through.
#2, you probably need to set the idle speed up somewhat. But you really cannot get it right till you get it in the water because of the back pressure on the exhaust when in the water. I really don't know what the book says the idle speed should be, but high enough that it doesn't stall when put in gear.
 

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Book sez 700-750 rpm in gear with a test prop. It still comes down to reality---by ear set it so it doesn't stall.
 

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F_R Thanks! Makes sense.

I was able to get it running much better today after removing cleaning and replacing the slow speed jet and packing nut, and adjusting the cable at the motor end and the idle set screw at the shifter end. I think it also loosened up a bit after first run yesterday. Starts easily, sounds better.

I think I've got it adjusted as good as I can, given hose cooling. The exhaust cleared up when I adjusted the low speed mix screw (smoky yesterday). And if I put my hand behind the upper outlet at idle it got wet. I have a 55gal barrel I'll try tomorrow. But I do understand it will take launching the boat to finally get things properly set.

I checked the lower unit oil and it was light brown, not milky.

I found the numbers and sent for a water pump kit, and a gearcase seals and gasket set anyway. Also a carb rebuild kit. If something needs work after launching, at least I won't have to wait so long for parts. And I can go through the engine thoroughly over the winter.
 

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Ahhh.. Ok.. Just got back here to start looking, but glad you found them already.... Never mind... LOL
 

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If the motor sat for 25 years you should be putting an impeller in YESTERDAY !----Tested the overheat light ?
 

SteveVT

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No, but I have never run it over fast idle, never over 5 minutes, and checked the head temp while running with my hand, as I said. Water is coming out of the upper port now, as I also mentioned. Pump rebuild kit was ordered today. It isn't possible to get yesterday delivery here. The reason for this thread was to ask for part number help with ordering a pump kit. I also asked if there was a way of testing pump function.

I don't believe it has overheated, but will check the light function tomorrow, though I trust touch even better and don't trust lights. Apparently neither do you.
 
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