1967 100 hp Johnson

jasonneal

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Can anyone identify the part pictured below? It is from a 67 Johnson Golden Meteor that will not start. Is this part available and where? Thanks





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It is the voltage regulator. Being out of the circuit will either cause no battery charging or else it will cause overcharging. I forget which one it is without hunting up the information.
 

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Re: 1967 100 hp Johnson

Thank you for the info. It appears the loose wire broke off of the regulator during my test voyage of the boat. The boat, a 67 Glastron V176, was given to me. When I took it out it ran really well for some time and then it sputtered and died. I had to be towed back to the ramp. Would this part be my problem? The motor will turn over but not start. Thanks again
 

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I almost forgot, does anyone know where to find a replacement for this part? I have searched the web, but have not found one. Thanks
 

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I almost forgot, does anyone know where to find a replacement for this part? I have searched the web, but have not found one. Thanks

Did the battery go dead? That would make it quit.
The regulator is part number 580651, superceded by 581580. Any Evinrude or Johnson dealer. Or on-line from ishopmarine.com or sea-way.com they are about 180 bucks.
 

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Re: 1967 100 hp Johnson

The battery did not go dead. I had put a brand new battery on the boat a few days ago. The motor would turn over but not start. Can you run the boat without this part? Or I guess what I am asking is do I have another problem besides this part. The boat still will not start two days later. Thanks
 

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OK, I looked it up. Running without the regulator will cause overcharging and uncontrolled voltage. The uncontrolled voltage can cause pulse pack failure, as well as blow any other sensitive electronics you may have.....and light bulbs.

You absolutely do need a regulator. And you also need to find out whether or not it blew the pulse pack or anything else.
 

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Thank you for the information. I will find a replacement regulator.
 

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Okay I am still trying to run down this regulator. I spoke with a boat repair shop and they said they had one in stock. The regulator they have is $180. I looked on iboats and the search takes me to part number 18-5708 made by Sierra which is $30. The regulator looks altogether different but the bolt holes look like they would match up. What is throwing me is when I search in iboats the year and horsepower match to my motor is call a starflite, but my motor is called a Golden Meteor. I am hoping the $30 part is what I need but knowing my luck that is not the case. Thanks in advance for any help again.
 

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I forgot to add also in iboats on the 1967 100 hp starflite line of part the ar103 made by arco seems to look alot like my regulator and the connections look very similar, but the bolt holes that attach it to the motor look different. This part is $60 which is also better than $180
 

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NO. I haven't done the iboats search, so I can't say what's amiss there, but I did check the Sierra catalog. Sierra does not offer a replacement for your regulator.

18-5708 isn't even a regulator, it is a rectifier. A totally different animal for a totally different function.
 

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I am the first to admit that I am a tightwad. I guess for a free boat I should take the advice from an actual boat mechanic and pay the $180. Thank you for the help. I spoke with my father in law who gave me the boat about it dying on me and not starting. He stated that it used to do that to him and he would let it sit for a minute or two and then spray starting fluid in it and it would start. I have heard that starting fluid is not good to use, and I would like for it not to die on me in the first place. A lot of the wires in the motor are cracked and brittle. Not the plug wires but the smaller ones. I am considering just taking it to a mechanic and having it gone through and rewired. Does anyone know if rewiring is expensive? I am in the process of restoring a 104 year old house and spare money is extinct around here. I would love to be able to take the boat back out this year, but I may have to save up and have the work done this winter. Oh well, there is always next year right?
 

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Wanna know what I think? So far, you know that it needs a voltage regulator and wire repairs. You haven't even addressed thw question of why it quit running. And now you say it has a history of quitting in the past.

I say that there is a real chance that your pulse pack is bad too. I wouldn't go plunking down money for a voltage regulator until these other issues are evaluated. This could turn into a very expensive project before you are done.

You are a self proclaimed tightwad. So am I, not because I'm that cheap, but I just can't afford to not watch my spending. (I'm retired). I would not be spending my money on that motor, if it were mine.
 

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What you heard about use of starting fluid is correct - it isn't a good idea, because it has no lubricating qualities. The internal parts of a two-stroke engine need to be lubed by the fuel/oil mixture, so use some premix in a spray bottle instead.

Sending the motor to the dealer to have everything fixed is going to be expensive. Most dealers are getting about $70 - $90 per hour for shop rates these days. That fact, combined with parts cost, could push the repairs to a pretty high level quickly.

I think what I would do with this motor is to check its general health before I spent any money on it. Do a compression check and check the gearcase for signs of metal and/or water. Ask your dad if the motor ever showed any signs of "kicking" out of gear, which could be a sign of impending clutch dog failure. Look over the motor for signs of other potential mechanical problems - are there any items that are obviously broken, etc.

If these things seem ok, you then have to make a decision as to whether going through everything else is worth it. If spraying fuel in the carbs helps get the motor going, the motor may need a fuel pump repacement and/or carb rebuild. Replacing all the wiring and possibly having to replace other components in the ignition and charge systems could get expensive too. You must also consider the issue of parts availibility for this motor. While many people, myself included, manage to keep older motors going, finding parts for them is sometimes challenging and expensive.

Another aspect of this motor is fuel consumption. The older OMC motors have the crossflow piston/cylinder design, which is not as efficient as the later loop charged design. Most people who have operated the older V4s say that they are terrible on fuel - obviously something that is a major consideration these days.

Frankly, if it were me, I would sell the motor and look for something newer. There are lots of deals to be had right now on used motors, because of fuel costs. My local OMC/BRP dealer is teliing me that he is repowering a lot of boats with ETEC engines because of those prices. This means that there are also lots of used motors being taken in trade or sold privately. For example, this same dealer now has a 2001 Johnson 70hp, which he took in trade, and is selling for $2,000. Just as a comparison, I have a 1972 Johnson 65hp engine that I purchased on Ebay and then refurbished, half with dealer work, and half by my own labor, which I have about $2,000 invested in. While I really like my motor and it is now a solid "runner," I think this example well illustrates the economics of fixing up old motors.

BTW - if your motor is a Johnson, it would be the Golden Meteor. The Starflight is merely the Evinrude version of the same motor. With the exception of the cowl pieces and paint scheme, the motors are identical or nearly so.
 

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Thanks again for all of the input. I just hate to not at least get an estimate on getting my motor up to snuff. When I took it out it ran great for some time before it quit on me. I was extremely suprised how much power it had and how smooth and quiet it was. It was quieter than much newer smaller motors I have had. I see it like this, the boat was free so if I have to put some money in it I will still have a cheap boat. Is that the wrong attitude? I hope I can get it going for around $5oo max. Is that too much for what it is? 1967 Glastron v176 in decent shape. Thanks again.
 

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If you can get all the things that are wrong fixed for $500, I would say the effort is worth it. The problem with old motors, however, is that the process usually becomes one of fixing one thing, only to have to fix other things as time goes by.

That said, it can't hurt to pull the boat down to your local OMC/BRP dealer to get an estimate. Another option is to find a mechanic who isn't working at a dealership, but has extensive knowledge of OMC products. If you get lucky, you might even find a retired OMC mechanic, who still likes to take on a project here and there. These folks can be really great if you have an older OMC, because they know the motors better than the younger mechanics now working at dealerships. The only warning in this regard is to check the private mechanics out thouroughly, because there are also a lot of hacks who will tell you that they have all kinds of experience, but really don't.
 

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That was kind of my thought. There is a mechanic near the lake in my county who has done work for friends. He seems to be really good and does not charge much labor. He fixed a power washer for me, although he does mainly boats, and charged $25 for labor and he made a gasket for the carb because he the said the craftsman gasket was really expensive. The power washer runs great. I think I will take it to him and tell him I am in no hurry and when he is slow to take a look and see what he thinks. I would love to get this boat going, but like you said I don't want another continuous project that needs work every single time I take it out. Thanks for the input you guys have been extremely helpful.
 

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Sounds like a plan but just make sure he knows your motor well. Based on what you have said, he is probably a very good and sincere general mechanic, but the guys that "kinda" know a particular motor, are the ones that can get expensive, if it becomes a continual chase to fix one thing after another. If he is well versed on the 60s vintage V4s, however, he is probably exactly the kind of guy you need.
 
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