1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

scotttaylor

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Hello

I took my 1968 Johnson 9.5 out to the lake today for its maiden voyage. (at least since I have had it) It had been sitting for some years before I got it and took a lot of my time to get it running. Long story a little shorter, The engine Cranks usually on the 1st or 2nd pull and seems to run just fine in the barrel that I use at the house. Today when I took it out, as usual it cranked right up. The first thing I noticed is that it seemed to not have nearly as much power as I had imagined it would with my little john boat. Also I quickly noticed that the engine would die if I moved it off of choke even a hair. Never the less it seemed to run well in the choke position and I really wanted to run it a little hoping that it would warm up and the choke could be moved and hopefully the full potential of the motor could be reached. There were a few times, right when I started it up that it revved up and had some real pep but it quickly died off. After heading off a ways from the boat ramp I noticed that it started running a little rough. Knowing that something was already wrong since it would only run when choked I decided to head back to the ramp. The engine continued to get rougher and rougher and eventually died. I got it restarted with the cowling off but to keep it running I had to nurse the choke valve with my finger (to keep it closed) so that it would run long enough to get me back to the ramp. The only thing that I can think of is that there is an adjustment that needs to be made or I have a jet clogged. I have not had a chance to check yet. One other question I have is about the needle valve on the low speed knob. How does this work. I cannot get mine to turn and I have tried to remove it for cleaning and cannot seem to get it out and I did not want to destroy it in the process. Any help on would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
 

dew2

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

Pull the carb and clean it twice and get the hispeed orfice with a piece of wire small wire.
 

samo_ott

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

Clean the carb. It is a classic symptom of problems in the low speed circuit and when you choke it you are giving it the extra fuel it needs to keep running. Also, if this is a new to you engine I would check the compression as a baseline and also check the spark to makle sure you have 2 strong sparks.
 

the machinist

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

Also check the spark plugs for fowling & does it have spark on both cylinders, these can run on only one cylinder, not good but will run.
 

scotttaylor

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

Thanks to all. I will pull the carb and give it a good cleaning. Also I will check the plugs. How about the needle valve for the low speed knob? could this be a contributing factor? Can anyone tell me how to remove this from the carb body for cleaning?

Thanks again for all of the help.
 

buzzsaw7

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

I just purchased a boat with the same motor last week only mine is a 1966 and have the same problem. Did you find out how to remove the needle valve? I was also wondering if cleaning the carb resolved your issue.
 

Wishiniwuzfishin

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

Could you give a little more info on the idle/slow speed adjustment and needle valve problem? I have the same motor and if everything is there you should have a wire cable connected between the actual adjustment knob and the needle valve. The wire cable turns as you turn the knob, in turn turning the needle valve. Maybe the wire cable is not attached at both ends or is missing altogether????

Have you tried turning the end of the needle valve itself?
 

buzzsaw7

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

Could you give a little more info on the idle/slow speed adjustment and needle valve problem? I have the same motor and if everything is there you should have a wire cable connected between the actual adjustment knob and the needle valve. The wire cable turns as you turn the knob, in turn turning the needle valve. Maybe the wire cable is not attached at both ends or is missing altogether????

Have you tried turning the end of the needle valve itself?

Everything is connected, and I did try adjusting it with no results. I plan on just rebiulding the carb, but I can't see how to disconnect that from the carb itself. I was also wondering, is that the only carb adjustment there is? Motor only runs with choke on.
 

kbait

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

The low speed needle just threads in, and there's a spring that holds the packing in. It should just thread out. Pull the carb (you have to rotate the armature plate to get to one of the mounting bolts) and clean it out. It should run w/o choking. If you only have 1/3 power, scrutinize spark quality.
 

buzzsaw7

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Re: 1968 Johnson 9.5 - Cranks but only runs in full choke

thank you for your help. Sorry I'm just getting back to you.Work week gets hectic, not to mention busy. I ordered a rebuild kit monday, figured as long as I had to remove the carb I might as well rebuild it. Will check spark also. Any idea what compression should be on that engine? I have yet to check that. Thanks again...
 
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