1969 Johnson 115HP V4 oil leak

VELOCIS

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Hi all,<br /><br />I purchased a 17' Pride craft with a Johnson 1969 V4 115HP outboard on the back. I have changed the impellor kit inside it as well as changing all the rubber seals in the lower leg (Have not dismantled the gearbox, just removed the gearbox and shaft so I can change the impellor and seals.<br /><br />After changeing these parts however I now have a white mixture of oil and water coming out of the casing at the point of where the gearbox bolts back onto the leg. It is coming mainly out of a front of the leg (not the propeller end).<br /><br />The water that is being cycled through the engine is fresh and not contaminated with oil (this would say to me that the shaft seals between the impellor and gearbox are working otherwise the water going to the head would have oil in it as the shaft passes through the impellor). I am unsure whether the oil in the gearbox is being contaminated with the water as I am just about to change the oil in the gearbox and and then run it again to see whether the oil gets mixed with water.<br /><br />The only thing I can sort of think of is that where the wires go into the gearbox (Electronic shift gearbox), the seal there is somehow perished. It only comes spewing out when the engine is running and there is water pressure applied through the muffs.<br /><br />Currently forward, reverse and neutral are all working fine.<br /><br />I will know more tonight when I change the oil in the gearbox but if anyone has any ideas it would be a great help. I am also after any diargams or shematics of the lower leg/gearbox assembly..<br /><br />Cheers for your help. Gotta try and get this thing perfect for the 26th JAN, Australia Day which is when everyone goes out on the water.
 

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Re: 1969 Johnson 115HP V4 oil leak

Welcome aboard iboats VELOCIS...<br /><br />What ya' need to do is put a pressure and vacuum test on the lower unit. This should tell you if you have a problem. The lower unit should hold 15psi (don't know what that is where you are) for at least 15 minutes. Same with a vac. test. I take the vac. up to 15" and let it set.<br /><br />If you do have a leak down, dump the whole thing in water and you will find the leak.<br /><br />Keep us posted....thanks.
 

VELOCIS

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Re: 1969 Johnson 115HP V4 oil leak

Thanks for the quick response OBJ.<br /><br />Sorry could you just provide a little more details on the vacuum test you talk of. <br /><br />Am I correct in understanding that you remove the lower unit (gearbox and propellor) and with it disconnected do a presure test on the oil chamber. E.g. remove the oil drain plug and push air into it and see if the oil comes spurting out everwhere.<br /><br />Sorry I am just a little unsure of what you mean.<br /><br />Cheers matey
 

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Re: 1969 Johnson 115HP V4 oil leak

My apologies Vel....sometimes I take for granted all folks understand what I'm spewing... :D <br /><br />You don't have to remove the lower unit unless a leak is detected which would be for the pressure you apply to the lower unit leaks down real quick or you lose vacuum.<br /><br />Drain the lower unit. Replace one plug. I like to replace the lower plug and use the upper hole when I can.<br /><br />I rigged a bicycle pump with a gage and adaptor that I can screw in the drain/vent hole. I can then pump up the gearcase with pressure and see what I have in it and also a way to tell if it's going to leak off real quick or is tight.<br /><br />I use an inexpensive auto A/C vacuum tester. These have a vac gage built in. All I did was add the adaptor to get it in to the hole. Same here. Raise the vac to 12 to 15'HG. The gage will let you see if the seals are sucking in. <br /><br />If either test fails, then remove the lower unit. Finding seals that fail the Pressure test is a little easier to find than the ones that fail the vac. test. <br /><br />For pressure, as I posted, pump up the gear case and drop into water. Bubbles coming from the lower unit indicate a leak.<br /><br />I use a soap solution for vac. so I can see where it might be sucking in. Sometimes works, sometimes don't. At which time I just re-seal the whole unit. Then I'm sure.<br /><br />I hope this is clearer than my first post. And I would also consider and recomend very strongly that you get a service manual. Lotsa' goodies in there.
 

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Re: 1969 Johnson 115HP V4 oil leak

Cheers for that.<br /><br />All seems very logical. I am pretty sure the pressure test will work fine and give me an idea of where the oil is coming out.<br /><br />I just realised I have one of those foot pumps with the pressure gauges already on it so that will be able to tell me whether I am maintaining pressure or not. (Or is it not acurate enough?)<br /><br />Thank you sooo much for your help and ideas.<br /><br />I will keep you posted with how it went.<br /><br />If god forbid there is a crack in the casing somewhere is there any way to fix that ?
 

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Re: 1969 Johnson 115HP V4 oil leak

All depends on the crack Vel.....but let's start with what we have. I hope the gearcase holds for ya.<br /><br />OH and the foot pump should work fine. Just don't get carried away with the pressure. 10 to 15 is good.<br /><br />Keep us posted. Thanks.
 
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