1971 85HP Cylinder Head Water Passageways

Lakester

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hello,

after tinkering on my 1971 85hp evinrude engine, addressing both mechanical stuff [bolt & screw tightness] and some housekeeping stuff [cleaning, cleaning and cleaning some more :)] i noted a crack in the port cyl head to thermostat housing water hose. an old crack for sure. its on head side end of hose, maybe even spraying some. so since one of its O-ring clamps was rusty with broken end, i removed hose for replacement and also the cyl head plate having noted some blockage once hose was off.

at the lower head to thermostat hose connecting port [head side] there was about a 1/3 blockage of the oriface in head's nipple with some white stuff. not too hard, almost semi-powdery. i assume some sort of corrosion. :confused: was not in thermostat plastic port, nor in the head's water passageways, however quite a bit of it is between the cyl head plate and gasket [plate to head gasket] in its shallow channels. or at least a similar substance???

*** any idea what this white stuff is. and how it got there? i am assuming the plate has not been off head before. as best as i can tell the head's plate is competely sealed. no air or water gets between it and the gasket that seals it to the cyl head.

once the gasket was opened and more or less removed to gain a visual access to cyl head water passage ways, i noted a wet brownish substance coating entire surface. not thick, but it is scrapable with screwdriver tip, etc. i assume it is on surface of most of engine's water passageways.

*** what is this stuff? i am assuming also some type of corrosion. passageways appear to be open and clean other than for this substance.

i also note that under the factory engine paint is a reddish-brown almost primer like paint. it is also on the inside of the water passage ways as is also what i see around the spark plug holes, too. i note some of it scraped off when cleaning the wet substance off the cyl head's water passageway.

*** is it important to repaint the cyl head's water passageways? i certainly doubt i can do it on block between cyl wall and block wall.

*** should i flush the engine's water passageways since i plan to remove the thermostat inners for inspection etc. if so, what is best procedure? is there an engine flush treatment recommended?

thanks. any thots on opening up an old engine's water passageways after the effects of use and ol' father time... and best-to-do ideas would be both helpful and greatly appreciated. :)

as a further thot, i would like to pull the cyl heads on both banks. clean head bolts, chase block threads, reset new head gaskets and torque. but since engine runs nicely, and a bore inspection showed very clean piston crown's... with no carbon build-up [carbon guard used religiously over its life] i am considering not doing that at this time. just the hose connections, thermostat, and the one head and its water passageways. and then button 'er up. yes, no?

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lakester :cool:
 

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Re: 1971 85HP Cylinder Head Water Passageways

Can I assume the motor was used in salt water? The white stuff between the gasket and cover plate is corrosion. There is enough moisture seeping through the gasket to cause it. The primer-like stuff coating the block inside and out is a sealant to protect the metal from the water and you should avoid removing any of it. Better to leave it a little dirty than to get in there and start scraping. I'd also avoid any chemical flushes. Even if you were to get it nice and clean, in a few months it would be dirty again.
 

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Re: 1971 85HP Cylinder Head Water Passageways

hello,

thanks for the thoughts and ideas. i guess if the gasket passed moisture to plate side, it could accumulate, but no trace on water passage side other than at the port head nipple.

i scraped lightly. some aluminum shows thru. should i worry about it? i guess worst case, i could use it, monitor it and get a new head if need be. no doubt it would still service well for years ahead.

the boat did see some salt water use. fishing in the bay south of houston, in galveston. they were up front about it. actually mentioned it without my asking. mostly a fresh water boat. and 'dad' always flushed it out with fresh water even though lake use primarily.

why is the head plate designed with grooved channels? seems a better fit would be flush to gasket then to head. unless, saved some cost in aluminum. maybe aided in air temp transfer? but would think if so, best like any air cooled head, fins to ambiant air.

took some pix of plate. will post this eve.

so what do you think then about just cleaning the port head and wash passageways with water and put on new gasket and button 'er up?

i plan to take plate with me to evinrude shop when i source the gasket and i will ask them, too about the white stuff. to be honest, it is not really like corrossion as i know it. looks more like a columbian stash... lol~ :rolleyes:.

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lakester :cool:
 

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Re: 1971 85HP Cylinder Head Water Passageways

hey lakester just pulled ex housing and thermos on mine had same thimg mine appears to be from partial salt water use i pulled both heads due to over heat i washed them out good cleaned mating surfaces and used full stainless
thermo kits brp seler on all gaskets except brp head gaskets worked great.
fired it back up and didnt have tell tell flow with watrpump hole had trash in it .no more probs in that area .but know will have to tear down powerhead to find tick in motor good luck.
bennyb
 

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hello, benny,

thanks for the info.

how did u clean the gaskets off the mating surfaces?

u sed:

"and used full stainless
thermo kits brp seler on all gaskets except brp head gaskets "

could u explain more? full stainless thermos kits? or full stainless fasteners? and new thermos kits? the thermos?-to include all vernatherm items in Tstat housing?

"except head gaskets"?

did u put them on dry? my oem service manual mentions nothing about any head gasket sealer. but in recent post on subject, it was suggested to use engine oil? did i read that correct? i would think a tacky head gasket material. well, any way, in auto field compesition gaskets went on dry, and steel shim type got sealer. aviation type.

i dont quite understand "thermos kits brp sealer...<snip> except brp head gaskets." :confused:

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lakester :cool:
 

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Re: 1971 85HP Cylinder Head Water Passageways

benny,

did u by any chance take any pix of ur work?

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I believe the BRP head gaskets come with sealer already applied. Kind of an orange shiny surface. Don't know about the aftermarket ones.
 

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Re: 1971 85HP Cylinder Head Water Passageways

hello,

here are 3 pix of my engine, port, aft and starborad sides. i note the front half of oe paint is nice, while aft section of block is gone and in primer. there was more silver but it was all loose and flaky. i removed it as i cleaned engine block with vac and compressed air. i am hoping i can source original type engine paint and repaint aft section at evinrude dealer. i am sending these so u can see what engine looks like in current condition. i pulled cyl head plate next day at day's end. i am including a pix of Tstat area, too.

i dont have pix of the open cyl head plate and passage ways. can get over weekend.

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lakester :cool:
 

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Lakester

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hello,

here are the pix of the inside of the port cyl head plate. this accumulation is pronounced, imo, if nothing else... just that it is there. there is none of this on water passageway side. other than a bit at port nipple.

i am wondering why the plate is not flat, and is channeled?

i am wondering why this white accumulation would show up tween head plate and gasket, but not in water passage ways and engine block?

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Lakester

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Re: 1971 85HP Cylinder Head Water Passageways

fr~

thanks for ur message. that would make sense. i could be wrong but if my plate to head gaskets are oe, i suspect they also were self adhesive. they are sure stuck hard on mating surfaces. :eek:

how do u remove such harden afixed gasket material from mating surface on these parts, with these gaskets?

do u use a gasket softener?

or put a wire wheel to it? or if part removed, put it to wire wheel cautiously?

the parts seem simple enuff. a flathead engine, 2-stroke with water passages, simple flat surface to flat surface, etc. i am thinking the plate is more to facilitate cheap pattern/casting cores in head rather than just to have access to clean, but could be for both?

also, should i expect to have a good access to Tstat parts, screws, etc. once the amp plate and terminal buss are removed? so i can get at its inners?

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lakester :cool:
 

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hi lakester my motor is a 150 v61981 its thermos are a little different.
i used stainless thermo kits complete with popetts and springs my inspection housings on my heads werent as bad as that but the white substance is the same i pulled heads and then inspection plates due to blown head gasket
i cl;eaned inspection plates with ememry and steel wool and some lime away
then i took inspection covers and used emery cloth on glass to clean mating areas then used brp sealer on ins cover on the head side and the plate side
cleaned bolts with wire brush on drill or bench grinder with wire wheel
tapped head bolt holes and head inspection plate holes used brp gaskets at head after milling 010 they were warped 006 no sealear on brp head gasket
if sierra use brp sealer put a little sealer on head bolts very ligt amount and torqued to specs and in sequence sealed great , but i also pulled exhaust housing covr and housing to change gaskets and get look at piston skirts and ex ports and also to push on rigs with pick to see if they sprang back or if one had cracked. also turned motor over by hand with heads off and pushed donward on piston while holdig crank to check for any looseness.
painted heads while off and block then reinstalled heads and painted block heads and gasket. ps i had th white stuff in my exhaust housing cover as well
and form the looks of yours you may as well change head gaskets ex gaskets thermos hoses total price on mine with new water pump machine work you may not need/thermo kits head and exhaust plate gaskets sealer and paint 125.00
thanks bennyb
 

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hello benny,

oic, thanks for the info. well, $125 huh...

i WISH i could get away for that...

the head gaskets are round $25.00 ea

the plates gaskets $7/2

the thermo stuff... about $110 w/hoses. heck they want $5.00 for a 25-cent O ring water hose clamp... go figger... lol~

a water pump impeller $45 kit $95

that dont include any machine work... if i farm any out.

oh well... fun so far... :D
 

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hello,

any comments about my aft section paint being gone? or at the head gasket seal?

can i use 3/4" hose to connect to Tstat hsg or are they fomed to shape hoses?

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The color paint never did stick real well to the red primer/sealer stuff. Your paint loss does seem kind of extreme though. However, there is no paint discoloration from overheating, so that's good. Every head cover plate I've ever taken off (here in the salt swamps) has had that heavy electrolysis/corrosion buildup. Even though water doesn't circulate in there, the gasket material does get damp enough for electrolysis to occur. I have a homemade gasket scraper. A wood chisel also makes a pretty good scraper. They do sell gasket remover spray stuff at the auto parts stores. Those hoses are molded.
 

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hello FR~

thanks for ur input. i did get the plate real clean. i plan to do the starborad one, as well. take a look inside at least, then clean.

i suspected they were molded. i opted for some goodyear molded hose at auto parts that i hand picked as it had both shapes incorporated into one hose. so i hope to be able to get both hoses out of the one....

will i be able to source the original color engine paint at my evinrude dealer? is it still avail?

regards,

lakester :cool:
 
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