1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

mattsanders

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I just purchased this boat. It a 15' Kingfisher. It has a 1971 Evirude 50 on it. It boat runs great, shifts great. I did refresh the LU oil with Premium Blend, and adjusted the idle. Here my problem. Starts right up and as good as anyone would hope. I stop and fish then its hard to start. It just doesnt seem to catch. It fires and tries every time, but I mat have to try 10 times or more. Any help? Thanks
 

mattsanders

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

Also guys any Idea what kind of trim unit this is? Here is a picture.
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jay_merrill

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

How long do you usually stop to fish, before starting the engine again?



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DuckCowboy

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

Are you choking it out to restart? That helps me sometimes. Also hit the primer bulb a few times then try. Good luck
 

kenmyfam

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

Some motors can be a little "quirky" when neither hot or cold.
What procedure are you using to start it when you have difficulty ??
 

oldrudedude

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

I have the same motor. The only time I had trouble warm restarting was on a hot day when I choked (over choked?) it. If the motor is off for only a minute or two, I start with throttle control all the way back and no choke.

Normal cold starting routine is:
-Lower engine
-connect fuel line and pump until bulb is hard
-Push throttle lever up to the start position
-engage electric choke and turn key until start (usually fires and starts on third rotation of engine)

For restarting, first try with throttle forward and no choke --> if no start try again with electric choke.

My engine starts and idles better when not using surface gap spark plugs. (use Champion L77JC4 or QL77JC4)

The engine will start best if it is set up properly (link/synch, ignition timing, carb adjustment.)

I can post the specs if you don't have them.
 

mattsanders

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

It doesnt matter how long I stop. It also doesnt matter if I choke it or not, either way it starts hard. Fuel bulb is hard also unless I tilt the motor up, then I can pump it.
Maybe I need to set the floats? I havnt personally gone through these carbs.
No one knows the tilt unit?
 

EN2

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

The tilt unit is OMC power tilt accessorie, from the mid seventies to about 1998. NLA.
 

mattsanders

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

The tilt unit is OMC power tilt accessorie, from the mid seventies to about 1998. NLA.

Are parts available? What would I ask for. Have any links to parts?
Thanks for the ID
 

EN2

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

Last time I checked on power tilt parts, they were NLA. O rings are available from a hydraulic repair shop.
 

soundchaser

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

Best way to fix that motor is to dump it and get a cheap 40hp from the 60's That'll run circles around that overweight under powered piece of #$%&

Seriously, You could pick up a 40hp from the 60's for around 50 bucks and it would run that boat at around 35 MPH And be dependable as can be.
 

mattsanders

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

I dont think anyone said it was undependable? Nor did I say it was slow. You obviously are under educated about this motor. Please refrain from showing your ignorance on my thread. Thank you.
 

EN2

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

What problems are you having with your power tilt?
 

soundchaser

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

No You're right, I was the one that said it was slow.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

Some of the OMC engines in that time period have a automatic choke feature, which is controlled by a thermal switch. When the motor is cold, the choke automatically engages the choke halfway. This feature, as well as the electric choke function in general, can be disabled via a mechanical choke lever on the motor. Try disabling the automatic choke feature with this lever, to see if it makes any difference - you may be getting the half step choke at a point when it is not needed, thereby enriching the mixture to the detriment of the motor.

OMC later recommended that this feature be disconnected, per the following Service Bulletin. If the manual lockout solves the problem, I would go ahead and disconnect the automatic feature. BTW, while I don't have a service manual for your motor, it looks like the thermal switch is located on the powerhead's exhaust cover, which is different than the three cylinder models, where it is located at the lower, port side of the cylinder head. You don't have to remove this switch - I'm just letting you know where it is as a point of interest.

If you disconnect the system, be sure to install the jumper, as indicated. If you don't, you will only get half actuation, when using the electric choke switch on the control box.


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mattsanders

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

My tilt works great. No problems there. It is kinda slow, but I think its supused to be.

Now you may be onto something with that choke idea.
There is a spring in the linkage that I beleive is to hold the choke open while under throttle. That spring was pined up behind something, and after I released it so it could work, it started acting up. Also a boat shop here localy adjusted the idle by adjusting the butterfly position is that the way its suposed to work?
 

jay_merrill

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

Which butterfly? There are two - the throttle and the choke.

You don't set idle that way anyway, but they may have been doing what is refered to as "link & sync."
 

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Re: 1971 Evinrude 50 hp Need help

I just purchased this boat. It a 15' Kingfisher. It has a 1971 Evirude 50 on it. It boat runs great, shifts great. I did refresh the LU oil with Premium Blend, and adjusted the idle. Here my problem. Starts right up and as good as anyone would hope. I stop and fish then its hard to start. It just doesnt seem to catch. It fires and tries every time, but I mat have to try 10 times or more. Any help? Thanks

Not to get off the subject but I just bought a boat yesterday with the same engine. Whats the optimal oil/gas ratio.... Thanks
 
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