1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

FillupD

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I have been working on this motor for a while now and am having spark problems with it. I have checked all of the tests from the manual except I am unable to check stator volt output because of no meter and there is a 10 day waiting line for boat work around here.

Here is my story:
Bought the motor and ran great. Compression even on both cylinders at 130/132.

Took it of one boat (even started it before moving it) and put it on my boat
and had No Spark.

Took it to a Marina and a week or so later they called and told me the motor ran great, did not find a problem with no spark, come and get it and by the way, you owe us 86 bucks. They did fail to see a crack in one of the coils so I'm not sure how hard they really looked. But it did sound like it ran well so off I went.

Took it to the lake and would not start, no spark.

Brought it home and was tinkering with it for a while and all of a sudden I just turned the key and it started. Had no spark multiple times before that , then out of the blue, bam, it took off.

Took it on the water and it ran about 5 mph. Ran great with no load, but no power under load.

Started checking motor out and replaced both cracked ignition coils with new ones. Thought it would run great with all the power I needed now.Tried to start, no spark.

Did the key test. Disconnected the black/yellow kill wire, no spark, disconnected the red plug and jumped the solenoid and no spark.

Replaced the power pack and no spark. While I was testing the 6&7 wires to ground, the motor started and died when I took the wires jumpers off. I replaced the #4 ground wire on the power pack, (because I thought it was the thing to do) and it ran fine with no load, Took it to the water, lack of power under load, although it started right up and seemed to run very well out of the water, (with the driveway muffs on)

Today I thought I would check the output voltage of the coils with a borrowed meter (since it was running so well in the driveway last night) and tried to start it and had no spark. It coughed one short burst once and then went dead from then on.
I purchased a used stator that was said to be good and replaced the stator. Tried to start it and got one short cough and then no spark after that.

I'm almost thinking since it is acting so strangely that the key switch might be the culpret but I think I took that out of the loop with the tests I have ran.

The fly wheel is turning >250 rpm's, new plugs, 2 new coils, new power pack, different stator and still no spark. Should I replace the pickup sensor, it ohmed out OK.

I'm about at my wits end! Has anyone ran into something like this before that would be able to give me some direction. I can't help but think this thing is only running on one cylinder or has a very weak spark to have such a lack of power under load but I don't know how to fix it or if that is the correct diagnosis.

Thanks for enduring this long post. I'll probably go out in the morning and it will probably start! (for a while anyway)
 

5150abf

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

You don't say anything about a spark tester.

Have you confimed each time that there is no spark or are you assuming because it won't start there is no spark?

What you are descibing can be caused by dirty carbs too, try squirting a small amount of gas into the carbs next time it won't start and see what that does.

If the carbs are dirty you cna replac every part on the motor and it still won't run.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

I do have a spark tester but It is a real cheap model. I'll get a better one today and give it a go with the new one. Would dirty carbs let run one day and not the next?
I'll order carb kits today and clean them up. I'm about ready to try anything at this point.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

Have you checked compression on this 1973 motor? That's a lot of parts' replacement if you have'nt.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

get the trouble shooting done, instead of throwing parts at it. compression, and spark check, post your results.

you have to have 3 things for it to run. clean properly functioning carbs. and correct fuel mixture, correct spark, in sinc with carbs, and compression. after that, you have to have proper cooling, to keep it running.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

Looking again at your post, I see that you did check compression. This would be a good problem for the use of a running test with a peak-reading volt meter.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

Ok, Got a good spark tester and checked it, both coils sparking very well. Had a buddy put carb kits in both carbs, ( was only able to soak carbs in cleaner for about an hour but he said they looked good.)

Put them on and wouldn't start.
Checked spark and now no spark.
Unhooked the black/yellow wire and had spark. So I thought it was the switch now, but,
Put the wire back on and had spark. Now it looks like the switch is OK
still wouldn't start.
checked spark again and no spark. Now I thought to check the switch again
unhooked black/yellow wire and no spark.
hooked the black/yellow wire back up and had spark.
Now my battery is charging. Any ideas why I would have spark one minute and not the next. While my battery is charging I'm going to go get a switch.
As soon as I can arrange it I am going to have someone check with the peak reading meter but it has to be running right?
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

Update: Now it runs and I was able to check coil output and got a little over 10,000 and on the bottom coil I got double that. It probably be because of misfire on the bottom coil? I'm going to read about how to tune the carbs and make it run a little smoother. That is if I have spark the next time I go outside.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

If you are seeing much greater spark voltage at one coil than the other you likely have a bad spark plug wire or plug. The coil output voltage will rise to what ever it needs to jump the gap and complete the circuit, until it breaks down its internal insulation. Looking back at all you have said and responses, I would look carefully at your wiring harness outside the motor. The comments about unhook and reattach with different results at different times leads one to wonder why. Internally broken wires might be a problem.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

I think you have sensor problems, or wire-to-the-sensor problems. Just my 2c.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

OK, I got it running at the lake and got the low power scenario and idles low making it hard to get going because it idles so slow.
Brought it home and checked coil output and it was between 12,000 for thhe top and 15,000 for the bottom. The manual mentions this is a 30,000 volt system.Is this both coils together? Is 12,000 volts coming from the coil enough?

How do you set the idle. Is it just the mixture screws?

My spark plugs are center fire. All the plugs I see in the manual have an electrode. Mine are NGK BUXH-1. Are these the wrong plugs? I just replaced them with theses because that what was in there when I bought it but I guess that does not make it correct.
Again I get the running good(except low idle) and low power on the water.

I hate to take the boat in and wait for a couple of weeks to get it back but I think I'm at about all i can do. Any suggestions?
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

Now we are getting somewhere. Get the correct plugs specified by Evinrude. Make sure they are gapped correctly. High power ignition systems only work right when they are complete! That includes type of plug and gap. All components must be matched or something will be overloaded or not make the spark needed.
Don't ask how I know that the spark plug gap must be correct or the idle won't have any power.:redface:
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

Got the new plugs in, took the fuel pump apart to see id diaphragm was cracked and everything looked good. I set the carbs so it idles and revs up and down when it is in gear well. I'm still only getting 14,000 volts out of each coil though. I checked all the wiring and it looks good. By the manual I am getting 1/2 voltage. The book says 30,000 volts.
I'm going to go out tomorrow and see if it will have some power under load. Any ideas about the low voltage? Timing couldn't be off since it starts so easy, could it?
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

The ignition system is built to produce as much as 30,000 volts. It will produce as much as needed to fire the plugs under the current condition. When you push open the throttle from idle with a fully loaded boat the voltage will go up markedly because of the much higher cylinder pressures. :) Since voltages are now matched you may get what you have been looking for.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

OK I took it out to the lake and adjusted the idle and it is just a little slow. Anyway, It seems to run pretty good. I think it is running top speed and I,m going to try to check WOT RPM;s to make sure.
After a little while it started to surge and then I went to the dock and moored around a little waiting for boats and decided to take it back out. It ran full power with no surging. Maybe something got a stuck in the carb for a second or maybe my fuel pump is getting weak. It ran up and down the lake without any other problems.

I want to Thank everyone for putting up with me and my motor problems. I never could have got it running with out this forum and members help.
And, Thank iboats for some of the fastest parts shipping I have ever seen.
 

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Re: 1973 50hp Evinrude driving me crazy

I have a question about a fuel pump. I do not see a kit for a fule pump for a 1973 50 hp evinrude motor. Is there a kit available for this motor or is it a pump replacement kind of thing.
My motor is only unniong at 2900 RPM's at WOT. Could this be a fuel pump related problem?
 
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