1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

miichael18

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I have a 1974 Evinrude 70hp and i was out last night fishing i was idling along slow about 6-8mph at dark and it just died like i cut the switch off. I thought well maybe it ran out of gas so i check the tank still had gas. I pumped the bulb a few times it was tight. Tried and tried and tried to get it to crank back nothing. We ended up having to troll about 2 miles back to the dock which took us about 3 hours. Got it home parked it till today and check the plugs on my lawn mower to see if they was firing. They fired perfect on it. I unhooked the gas line and turned the engine over with spark plugs out thinking may just have flooded and left gas line unhooked and sprayed starting fluid in all 3 cylinders and turned it over with nothing. All 3 cylinders wont fire I'm assuming, i cant get back there to check them with a spark plug by myself but i know when my coil died on #2 it still ran just missed. Where do i need to start with no fire at all? I have a repair manual on it but doesnt really have a trouble shooting guide in it.
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

Any possibility that you pulled the lanyard out of the safety switch if you have one? Disconnect the big red connector in the engine compartment and jump out the starter and see if it has spark....
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

Yes. 12 volts to starter....If you still have the spark plugs in and it starts, be aware that after you disconnect the red plug, the only way you will be able to stop the motor is to manually choke it...
 

miichael18

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

ok did that with switch on no fire on either coils. Wheres the kill switch? could that be the prob or is it the power pack? i took the cover off the power pack and everything i very clean and nothing looks bad. any more suggestions?
 

miichael18

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

On i found the kill switch wire and unhooked it and still no fire. what else could it be other than power pack? any way to test anything else? I will buy the power pack if that's the prob but hate buying something and it not be it
 

miichael18

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

So wheres where i stand. Still all 3 coils have no spark

Checked plugs there good.
Checked coils there getting 0 Volts.
Unhooked kill switch still no fire.

What next? Is it the power pack? could it be the stator?

If its the power pack i will order one today but could it be something other than power pack?
 

miichael18

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

I got no power at all to coils. I bypassed the kill switch wire and still no fire. I can hold the plug and crank the engine over with no shock. Motor just died on me on the lake like i cut the switch off. Im thinking its the power pack but could it be something else?

Powerpack?
Stator?

any suggestions?
 

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

check the inline fuse under the hood
 

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

Have you checked the points for gap and or pitted or damaged?
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

You would need some special equipment to test the pack. Here's some troubleshooting procedures:


Johnson/Evinrude Troubleshooting
Alternator Driven CD Ignitions
1972-1978 Engines
(With screw terminal type power packs)
Two Cylinder Engines
No Fire at All:


1. Disconnect the black yellow kill wire and retest. If the engine's ignition has fire, the kill circuit has a fault-check
the key switch, harness and shift switch.
2. Check the stator resistance. You should read approximately 500 ohms from the brown wire to engine ground.
3. Check the DVA output from the stator. You should have a reading of at least 150V or more from the brown
wire to engine ground (while connected to the pack).
4. Check the timer base’s resistance from the black/white wire to the white/black wire. Reading should be 10-20
ohms. Note: The original factory specifications was 8-14 ohms, this was changed around the mid to late 1970’s.
5. Check the DVA output from the timer base. A reading of at least 0.5V or more from the black/white wire to the
white/black (while connected to the pack) is needed to fire the pack. If the output is low, you may try to reset
the air gap between the timer base sensor and the triggering magnet.
a) Loosen the two mounting screws on the sensor and the nut located in the epoxy on the outside of the
heat shield of the timer base.
b) Slide the sensor in toward the crankshaft approximately 0.005” at a time.
c) Coat the face of the sensor with machinists bluing or equivalent.
d) Install the flywheel according to the service manual and crank the engine over.
e) Remove the flywheel and check to see if the triggering magnet struck the sensor face.
f) If the ignition fired, finger tight the nut on the outside of the heat shield and coat it with RTV.
g) If still no fire, slide the sensor in another 0.005” and repeat steps c through f.
6. Check the DVA voltage on each trigger wire to engine ground. You should have a reading of at least 150V or
more from the black/white wire and the white/black wire to engine ground (while connected to the pack). If the
reading is low, disconnect the trigger wires from the pack and recheck the terminals on the pack. If the voltage
jumps up to an acceptable reading, the timer base may have a problem in it’s internal wiring (A thin spot in the
insulation on one wire).
7. Check the cranking RPM. A cranking speed of less than 250-RPM will not allow the system to fire properly.
No fire on One Cylinder:
Either a faulty power pack or ignition coil normally causes this. Extremely rare causes include a weak trigger
magnet in the flywheel or a timer base.
Three Cylinder EnginesNo Fire at All:
Note: If the ignition only fires with the spark plugs out, the timer base is likely weak or the engine is not
spinning fast enough. See # 6 and #8.
1. Disconnect the black yellow kill wire and retest. If the engine's ignition has fire, the kill circuit has a fault-check
the key switch, harness and shift switch.
2. Disconnect the yellow wires from the stator to the rectifier and retest. If the engine fires, replace the rectifier.
3. Check the stator resistance. You should read approximately 500 ohms from the brown wire to the brown/yellow
wire.
4. Check the DVA output from the stator. You should have a reading of at least 150V or more from the brown
wire to the brown/yellow wire (while connected to the pack).
5. Check the timer base’s resistance from the black/white wire to the white/black wires. Reading should be 10-20
ohms.
6. Check the DVA output from the timer base. A reading of at least 0.5V or more is needed from the black/white
wire to the white/black wires (while connected to the pack) to fire the pack. If the output is low, you may try to
reset the air gap between the timer base sensor and the triggering magnet using a Sensor Gap Gauge (553-9702)
or use the following procedure outlined below.
a) Loosen the two mounting screws on the sensors and the nuts located in the epoxy on the outside of
the heat shield of the timer base.
b) Slide the sensors in toward the crankshaft until the sensor touches the stop boss located at the base
of the sensor mounting area. Tighten the mounting screws.
c) Coat the face of the sensor with machinists bluing or equivalent.
d) Install the flywheel without the key and rotate the flywheel at least one full turn.
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Johnson/Evinrude Troubleshooting
Johnson/Evinrude Troubleshooting
Alternator Driven CD Ignitions
1972-1978 Engines
(Three Cylinder Engines with screw terminal type power packs, continued..)
e) Remove the flywheel and check to see if the triggering magnet struck the sensor face. If it did, back
the sensor out approximately 0.005” and repeat steps C, D and E.
f) If the ignition fired, finger tight the nut on the outside of the heat shield and coat it with RTV.
g) If still no fire, replace the sensor.
7. Check the DVA voltage on the black/white wire to engine ground. You should have a reading of at least 150V
or more (while connected to the pack). If the reading is low, disconnect the trigger wires from the pack and
recheck the black/white terminal on the pack. If the voltage jumps up to an acceptable reading, the timer base
may have a problem in the internal wiring (A thin spot in the insulation on one wire).
8. Check the cranking RPM. A cranking speed of less than 250-RPM will not allow the system to fire properly.
No fire or Intermittent on One Cylinder:
1. Check the timer base resistance from the black/white wire to the white/black wires. Reading should be 10-20
ohms.
2. Check the DVA output from the timer base. A reading of at least 0.5V or more is needed from the black/white
wire to the white/black wires (while connected to the pack) to fire the pack.
3. Check the DVA output on the orange wires from the power pack while connected to the ignition coils. You
should have a reading of at least 150V or more. If the reading is low on one cylinder, disconnect the orange
wire from the ignition coil for that cylinder and reconnect it to a load resistor. Retest. If the reading is good, the
ignition coil is likely bad. A continued low reading indicates a bad power pack
 

miichael18

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

Ok heres what i come out with on my tests

All tests was done on power pack.

Coil1 to ground 0 ohms
Coil2 to ground 0 ohms
Coil3 to ground 0 ohms
Brown wire to ground 3.92 ohms
Brown/yellow wire to ground 3.92 ohms
 

miichael18

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

Ok i didnt notice it said from brown wire to brown yellow wire. I tested ohms from brown wire to brown/orange wire on power pack and it read .616 ohms.

Not sure if this helps
 

miichael18

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Re: 1974 Evinrude 70hp Died

Hooked ohm meter to brown wire on power pack which comes from stator and hooked it to all 3 coil wires on power pack. It showed there was connection on all 3. I then checked the AC voltage from brown wire and it read that voltage is coming through. I know it wont read right because i dont have the right meter but there power going to the power pack. When i hook it up and test power to coils while cranking engine over 0 voltage on all 3 coils. Since the power pack is getting "some power" (cant determine how much) and the coils are producing 0 voltage then this leads me to believe the power pack is failed. What i dont understand is where the power is going? Is it getting grounded out somehow maybe because the power pack is bad? power on brown wire is there but nothing else.
 
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