1974 JohnyRude 85

jay_merrill

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I have an old JohnyRude that is giving me strange compression test readings.

First, the motor appears to be an 85hp Evinrude powerhead, sitting on a Johnson 135 midsection and gearcase. It was a "Katrina motor," which sat in water to a point just below the powerhead, for several weeks, until flood waters receded. I believe that the height of the water peaked as just described and then dropped slowly, over the time period involved. There does not seem to be any indication that the powerhead was ever submerged.

I finally got around to doing a compression check on it, this afternoon. The flywheel rotates freely by hand and gives indications of compression, as each cylinder reaches "upstroke." The problem is that I got readings of about 30 psi on all four cylinders, consistently. This ocurred while using the starter to "turn the motor over." Although I did most of the testing with all of the spark plugs out, because of a marginal battery, I tried a couple of cylinders with the plugs back in and got the same results.

All of the readings were consistent - about 30 psi on all four, every time. My first thought, of course, was the compression tester, but I use it frequently on other outboards and have never had a problem with it. It was also screwed in all the way and I wasn't bottoming out on the piston domes.

Has anyone else ever gotten compression readings this low and had them be so even? Any thoughts on what might be going on?


PS: Does anyone know where the welsh plug with the model/serial #s are on this motor? I've looked and can't find it. It has a single powerpack on the flatback and the coil rack running across the top/rear portion of the powerhead. There is also a terminal block for the wiring on the port side, next to the coil rack. Could it be under any of that stuff?



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Re: 1973 JohnyRude 85/135

Re: 1973 JohnyRude 85/135

That welsh plug is located on top of the head and is more than likely to be under the coil pack.

Hmmmmm 30 lbs? Since it was a Katrina motor..... maybe the rings are stuck. Have you tried to give all the cylinders a shot of SeaFoam??? Or even PB Blaster and letting it sit. You might need to get the rings free.
 

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Re: 1973 JohnyRude 85/135

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I would pull one cylinder head, plus the intake by-pass cover. Something is certainly wrong here. If nothing else, replace the valve stem in you guage. It look's just like the stem in a tire, and use's the same tool.
 

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Re: 1973 JohnyRude 85/135

Re: 1973 JohnyRude 85/135

It would not take long and very little moisture for the rings to seize in the pistons which would explain the low compression reading - you could probably determine that by removing the bypass covers. They might loosen with a little encouragement. SeaFoam won't help with rusted rings.

The bore 0f the 85HP is 3-3/8 while the bore of the 115HP and 135HP was 3-1/2, so you can tell what you have. The 135HP had a bubbleback exhaust.

The welch plug is on top of the port cylinder bank.

BTW, if that still has the original cylinder heads, expect at least 120 PSI when it's working right.
 

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Re: 1973 JohnyRude 85/135

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Found the welch plug. I don't have a manual on this motor yet (didn't know for sure what it is), so y'all saved me from going on a hunt for it and taking stuff apart that I didn't need to.

The powerhead is a 1974, 85hp Evinrude, Model #85493B. That info gives me a place to start. I'm also thinking at this point, that the whole motor, with the exception of the transom bracket, which has the data plate indicating a 135, is actually the 85hp model. I guess my next step would be to pull the prop and count the splines. I'm not sure of the differences between the 85hp prop shaft and the 135, but I'd take a guess that they are different in some way.

I just pulled the plugs again and shot a bunch of PB Blaster in the cylinders, rotating the motor with the starter between applications. I'll most likely let it sit for a couple of days, maybe with some additional shots of Blaster, to see what happens.

In order to lift the coil rack, I had to disconnect a few things, which required pulling a few bolts and screws. All of them came out very easily, which surprised me. If the rest of the bolts are the same way, pulling the powerhead apart to put new rings in it, might not be too terrible. That said, I'll have to consider the health of the rest of the motor and the cost of doing so, v. finding another powerhead.

You guys are great and I appreciate the responses. Any more info that you may care to offer, will be similarly appreciated!



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Re: 1974 JohnyRude 85

Well, y'all know how motors are - you just can't leave them alone. I just finished a small project on my boat and that 85 Johnyrude kept starin' at me from its motor stand, under the eve of my workshop.

I just pulled the plugs again, spun it a bit, shot some more PB into it, worked it again and did a compression test - the pressures are up to 70 - 85 psi. The tests before were both wet and dry, so I don't think the liquid is making the difference. Looks like I need to keep working it over the next day or so, just to see how far I get!



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Re: 1974 JohnyRude 85

From 1973 through 1976 the gearcases on the standard 85HP, 115HP and 135HP J/E recreational motors had only 13 spline propeller shafts.

Some of the 135HP motors had a slightly higher gear ratio: 13:25 compared 13:26. Otherwise the gearcases were the same for all of those V4 motors in those years.
 

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Re: 1974 JohnyRude 85

Thanks, Ezeke - you are a treasure trove of info on these motors!



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