1976 Johnson 70 hp has carb issues. Idle fluctuates and has dead spot on acceleration

Coltrickle

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The idle seems to fluctuate from perfect sometimes to where it gets so low it dies when I put it in gear.... Sometimes it runs perfect and will launch like a rocket.. Other times when the idle falls of if I am able to get it in gear and keep it running it has a dead spot in the carbs.. I have to go from high idle to in gear quickly which is bad on my lower unit but none the less it will go and I have to go from a fast troll to wide open throttle or it will die if I gradually advance the throttle about half way through the progression.. And a little history. It was taking 20-30 seconds to plane out then run perfect once on plane.. I took off the carbs at the advice of this forums members and checked the idle jets and 2 were partiAlly clogged. Now it will run like a scalded dog sometimes and and others I can't even get it in gear and it will only idle with the high idle up. Thought??
 

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Coltrickle, if you didn't totally disassemble the carb(s) and install new kits after a through cleaning, it is time to do so. And pay close attention to every little passage ways and tinny holes. Then make certain the floats are both good (not fuel soaked) and adjusted to specs. Rebuild the carbs and reinstall and start adjusting for idle and high speed. Sounds like trash is trying to go though them still. JMHO!
 

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Try bumping the primer solenoid by pushing in the key when it does this and it will take off. I have the same engine and there was a service bulletin out on it where you had to drill out the holes under the welch plugs and change the jets. Mine runs flawlessly after doing it. Doesn't really take any time at all and ordered the bits and hand drill online for less than 15.00.The jets were about 12 or so at my local dealer. Do a search for it on here and I bet you find it. Gentleman Joe Reeves has sent it to me twice and I have been able to lose it twice.
 

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The 77 models did not come with the primer solenoid.----just choke flappers on them.
 

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Try bumping the primer solenoid by pushing in the key when it does this and it will take off. I have the same engine and there was a service bulletin out on it where you had to drill out the holes under the welch plugs and change the jets. Mine runs flawlessly after doing it. Doesn't really take any time at all and ordered the bits and hand drill online for less than 15.00.The jets were about 12 or so at my local dealer. Do a search for it on here and I bet you find it. Gentleman Joe Reeves has sent it to me twice and I have been able to lose it twice.

If you are interested in the Technical Service Bulletin (Johnson TSB 1144), PM me. I still have it.

Rgds

Eric
 

Coltrickle

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Thanks for your replies gentlemen.. I have taking the carbs a parts and cleaned out the bowls and attempted to spray all passages with carb cleaner.. However I was not able to remove the idle jets.. They were screwed in very tight so I could not clean out from behind them.. So now that you all have jogged my memory that is probably where the trash lies.. I will d/a clean and order kits for all 3 carbs and perform the s/b if it has not been already.. I will keep you posted.. Thanks again.
 

Coltrickle

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Today, just out of curiosity I pulled the plugs and the top one is clean.. I know the top carb is pulling fuel because I can see it.. Is it possible that a leaking head gasket could cause these problems??
 

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Well, last time I heard "dead spot in the carb", it cost me a carb rebuild, valve job, tune up -- had to borrow money to pay for it, and still misdiagnosed -- turned out to be a collapsed fuel line. That was in 1973 ('69 Olds). Moral is, first look for the simple solution.

got some "not sures" about your narrative:

not sure about partially clogged idle jets -- or more to the point, not clear how you would determine there is only a partial blockage. Must be making an inference. In terms of function, the jet is either open and working, or it isn't. But maybe found some general nastiness when the expansion plugs were out, suspected to cause issues. And guess it's possible the idle jet may be getting some periodic blockage, giving uneven (unpredictable) operation.

Also, not sure what you are seeing with a clean top plug. Could mean that no fuel is getting from the carb to the cylinder, so no carbon (said you could see fuel in the carb -- guess I'm not sure what you mean there either. Gas in the bottom of the throat when you look in?) Clean plug, compared to carbon on others, could also mean that the plug is getting washed -- that water is getting in there (poss. leaking gasket, like you mention).

Might spray some fuel mix in through the top plug hole, and then see if you can get it to pop. Make sure you have spark on top along with good compression (two givens.) If no spark, will obviously address that. If low compression compared to the other two, first try replacing the head gasket.

A guess from here -- cylinder is probably not getting gas for throttle up, and might concentrate on the h.s. jet. I would try first to clean the H.S. jet in the top carb. Carefully run a small diameter wire through it if you can, and flush with carb spray. Ain't supposed to use a probe, but may be the best solution to a nasty clog. .054 is about the size of a paper clip wire, isn't it? (so not all that delicate, although brass.) If it's seriously varnished up, spraying alone isn't likely to do it, nor soaking for that matter. What did it look like?

You discussed some of this over in the props forum, and would help if you summarize what you did or didn't do to address running issues: Compression, ignition, carbs, fuel pump, fuel mix, tank(s), dropped cyl test. Some of the issues were probably addressed.
 

Coltrickle

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Compression is 120 top and the bottom 2 are 124. All coils will jump a bright blue spark a 1/2 inch. Fuel pump is now new. I've torn the carbs down twice and sprayed cleaner through every port until it sprayed out somewhere else, replaced tank and fuel line all the way to the center carb and from it to the other two carbs. I removed the plugs and the top one looked brand new while the other 2 were wet but had some carbon build up. I just can't figure it out. I quit posting in the props forum because I felt it had drifted to far away from a prop discussion. I know the boat will launch and plane out now that I have got to this point. But the idle and Low speed have become the problem... Thanks for your reply.
 

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A clean sparkplug indicates a problem.-----No fuel / no spark / no crankcase compression.-Trouble shooting required.
 

Coltrickle

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Thanks racerone . Will do.. Just has me worried.. Last time I had a clean plug was on a merc classic fifty and it cost me a good bit of money.. Exhaust gasket blew and had warped plates.. Is it possible that the plug could be faulty.. I just replaced them with new and the spark will jump over a 1/2 inch and is bright blue with a gap tester.. But it also was dry when I pulled the plug. So no fuel possibly?
 
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joetheis

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Spray some carb cleaner while idling @ the carb base and where the manifold meets the head, maybe you have a vacuum leak.
If the idle goes up/down, you found it!
I've had some old carbs, the throttle blade shaft has worn and sloppy, giving it a bad vacuum leak. rare, but I've seen that twice.
IF you had crud in you carbs first time you rebuilt it, replace the fuel filter, (invest in a spin on unit)!
As long as you can spray cleaner through the idle jet holes, they are open.
I'd replace the fuel line and primer bulb, could be coming apart inside.
Make sure ALL the mixture screws are set the same.
Make sure your carbs are "Linked and syniced".
(pretty easy to do)
Remember ALL your carbs have to opening the same amount or your not gonna get her to run well at all!!
Your reeds could be worn or not seating also. That gives you weird idle, (at least on my 2 stroke off road bikes when the reeds "flake", (they are carbon fiber), it gives it a funny idle.
Throw some "Sea Foam" in your fuel tank too to clean the carbs as they run.
Joe
Remember to take any advice I give with a can of beer er 2!
 
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