vegasphotoman
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Hi all, SUSCRIBE to this thread!!!
this will be an ongoing post for a 1978 Newman Pla-Ville boat 18 footer. 302 ford eng OMC stringer outdrive probably an 800
our Estimate for total expenditures is around $3000 includes boat and trailer. Suscribe to this thread, as it should be a 4 to 5 week restoration (Speedy Gonzales would be proud) we want the experience, and will be selling this boat as soon as it is tested out on the lake and all ready for a new owner. Update Sept 2nd 2009, looks like we will probably spend $3500 on this project easily. DOH overruns!
photos LOTS of photos are posted here and updated often http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman1/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman2/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman3/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman4/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman5/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman6/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman7/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman8/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman9/-
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well, My wife and I are noobs when it comes to boat restoration, that's for sure, but thanks to everyone on the Iboats forums, we see that it isn't an impossible task, so thanks in advance.
Restoration is going on for the Newman, so far we bought the boat with double axle trailer, 4 new tires on her, for $300. Titles in hand. Tested the outdrive trim and raise lift, WORKS fine thank godness, those lift motors are pricey!, some of the gauges work, blower and bilge both work "kinda" but I wouldnt trust em so they are gone. the exterior gel coat is toast powdered, way beyond usability, so it is going to be Gelkoted white, top half will be House Of Kolors Sunrise Orange Pearl clearcoated.
Now for the bad part, the stringers and frames are shot, the wood has turned to mulch, it looks like as far as we can tell, the boat was midwest raised, so at some point the engine cover was up for a long period with the drain plug installed, so the boat filled with rainwater and leaves. there is obvious greasy waterlines on the side of the engine and some water in the oil too. looks like a good 16 to 20 inches of water were in her at some point for a while!
Day 1 pickup boat found on craigslist $300 bucks
This guy drove the trailer from Kingman AZ to Vegas on shot bearings, the wheels fell off literally when we jacked the back axle up and removed em with no tools, that far gone yup. please don't do this, it is dangerous to drive with the bearings shot to the max, a wheel could come off into oncoming traffic etc. please dont be a dummy like the previous owner of this Newman Boat. we turned the engine over and looked her over, solid hull, shot stringers and frames, engine looked real good, 2 bbl holley, small oil leak at fuel pump (holley pump), engine turned over fine with a 7/8" socket and breaker bar at the crank bolt, not seized! 2 New heads on her! yea! bought it.
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Day2 Stripped Interior
We stripped the interior out, all the trim pieces, throttle, radio (8 track am fm LOL) vents and fuse / switch panel, plastic parts, all the glass frames for the windshield (they are in awsome shape! aluminum frames) carpet is out, we did all that in around 3 hours of tinkering.
The upholstery guy quoted us $1800, we asked for a little break and got him for $1600, if we do the side panels ourselves using his material. Im kind of a cheap, want to do it myself sort of guy, so next boat were going to do it all ourselves, buying boat seats from bass pro back to backs $179 ea and jump seats $100 ea the rest we would recover. this boat had a somehwat complex engine cover with integrated seats, so we'll let em do it.
Day3 Stringer outdrive removal
I had to work, got back at 530pm, we removed the stringer outdrive, tinkering it took 2 hours of disassembling the drive, now that we have the experience it should only take 10 minutes or less to remove one. Welll we couldn't find a disconnect for the electric shift, found some fusible links, our first thought was to cut the wires inside the hull area and pull em through, remove drive at hinge point, instead without a manual we disassembled the drive a bit, no disconnects for the shifter in there either! drive looked excellent inside, ball gears had only 10-15% wear, no seals were leaking! incredible, gear oil was like new. no oil leaks. no water intrusion. We did end up cutting the wires just after the fusible links and pulling the wire through the little hole in the drive plate for the fwd reverse electric shift. 3 minutes later the outdrive was off, marked the bushings as not to mix em up. found ALOT of grease zerks that probably were never greased, hidden or buried under something or under a metal plug. now we know where they are!
The rubber drive boot that seals the hull/drive area was shot to the max. $100 for a new one.
needs new gear oil now and new left right rubber snubbers (dryrotted) under the snubbers were some grease zerks for greasing the up / down drive bushings
Day4 Engine removal V8 Ford 302
2 more hours of tinkering, should took 30 minutes or less for an experienced person
removed motor, took a couple hours being very careful, we measured the height oof the back of the boat to make sure the eng would clear once we had it up real high on the hoist. had a time getting the motor mount retaining lag bolts out, the wood was rotten, so they would only spin, even with pliers they wouldn't pull out, so we used a pry bar under em' while using an impact wrench to spin em out.
Ended up removing the rear axle on the trailer (the axle is SHOT anways), back of boat was nice and low now, the axle was in the way of the hoist anyways. so we could put the eng hoist in from the side, we didnt think there would be a enough room to spin the motor and raise it out, because the back of this boat has a platform around 20 inches wide, so it mighta hit that coming out.
anwyays, hooked the eng up, hooked trailer to my truck and eased the engine up some, spun it sideways, raised it to the max height, pulled the trailer out from under the hoist, otherwise trying to move the hoist maxed out it would have tipped over!
DAY 5 measuring inside of boat had to work (photo shoot),
later in the evening when I got back, we made a rough drawing of the interior layout of the boat interior, made alot of measurements and wrote em down, since we have to rebuild the eng compartment, stringers and such, was going to use pressure treated lumber and 3 layers of fiberglass, they dont make pressure treated 2x10s though! so regular pine it is pulled up some flooring someone else laid over the rotten stuff, doesnt look good, lots of spray in foam under the floor area too. 45 minutes
DAY 6 used Super Clean engine degreaser (purple jug by the gallon) from walmart (eng degreaser) and a brush, the motor cleaned up real nice. Plan is to replace water pump, fuel pump, rebuild carb, check compression, pull oil pan and check bearings, change oil, replace spark plugs (they looked good, no blown head gasket or extra oily plugs, just normal carbon fouling)
1 hour of cleaning engine, 1/2 hour to clean engine compartment in boat of leaves and oil, dog hair and such.
Ill update soon and often. Vegasphotoman.........
photos LOTS of photos are posted here and updated often http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman1/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman2/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman3/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman4/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman5/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman6/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman7/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman8/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman9/
this will be an ongoing post for a 1978 Newman Pla-Ville boat 18 footer. 302 ford eng OMC stringer outdrive probably an 800
our Estimate for total expenditures is around $3000 includes boat and trailer. Suscribe to this thread, as it should be a 4 to 5 week restoration (Speedy Gonzales would be proud) we want the experience, and will be selling this boat as soon as it is tested out on the lake and all ready for a new owner. Update Sept 2nd 2009, looks like we will probably spend $3500 on this project easily. DOH overruns!
photos LOTS of photos are posted here and updated often http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman1/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman2/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman3/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman4/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman5/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman6/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman7/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman8/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman9/-
-
well, My wife and I are noobs when it comes to boat restoration, that's for sure, but thanks to everyone on the Iboats forums, we see that it isn't an impossible task, so thanks in advance.
Restoration is going on for the Newman, so far we bought the boat with double axle trailer, 4 new tires on her, for $300. Titles in hand. Tested the outdrive trim and raise lift, WORKS fine thank godness, those lift motors are pricey!, some of the gauges work, blower and bilge both work "kinda" but I wouldnt trust em so they are gone. the exterior gel coat is toast powdered, way beyond usability, so it is going to be Gelkoted white, top half will be House Of Kolors Sunrise Orange Pearl clearcoated.
Now for the bad part, the stringers and frames are shot, the wood has turned to mulch, it looks like as far as we can tell, the boat was midwest raised, so at some point the engine cover was up for a long period with the drain plug installed, so the boat filled with rainwater and leaves. there is obvious greasy waterlines on the side of the engine and some water in the oil too. looks like a good 16 to 20 inches of water were in her at some point for a while!
Day 1 pickup boat found on craigslist $300 bucks
This guy drove the trailer from Kingman AZ to Vegas on shot bearings, the wheels fell off literally when we jacked the back axle up and removed em with no tools, that far gone yup. please don't do this, it is dangerous to drive with the bearings shot to the max, a wheel could come off into oncoming traffic etc. please dont be a dummy like the previous owner of this Newman Boat. we turned the engine over and looked her over, solid hull, shot stringers and frames, engine looked real good, 2 bbl holley, small oil leak at fuel pump (holley pump), engine turned over fine with a 7/8" socket and breaker bar at the crank bolt, not seized! 2 New heads on her! yea! bought it.
Day2 Stripped Interior
We stripped the interior out, all the trim pieces, throttle, radio (8 track am fm LOL) vents and fuse / switch panel, plastic parts, all the glass frames for the windshield (they are in awsome shape! aluminum frames) carpet is out, we did all that in around 3 hours of tinkering.
The upholstery guy quoted us $1800, we asked for a little break and got him for $1600, if we do the side panels ourselves using his material. Im kind of a cheap, want to do it myself sort of guy, so next boat were going to do it all ourselves, buying boat seats from bass pro back to backs $179 ea and jump seats $100 ea the rest we would recover. this boat had a somehwat complex engine cover with integrated seats, so we'll let em do it.
Day3 Stringer outdrive removal
I had to work, got back at 530pm, we removed the stringer outdrive, tinkering it took 2 hours of disassembling the drive, now that we have the experience it should only take 10 minutes or less to remove one. Welll we couldn't find a disconnect for the electric shift, found some fusible links, our first thought was to cut the wires inside the hull area and pull em through, remove drive at hinge point, instead without a manual we disassembled the drive a bit, no disconnects for the shifter in there either! drive looked excellent inside, ball gears had only 10-15% wear, no seals were leaking! incredible, gear oil was like new. no oil leaks. no water intrusion. We did end up cutting the wires just after the fusible links and pulling the wire through the little hole in the drive plate for the fwd reverse electric shift. 3 minutes later the outdrive was off, marked the bushings as not to mix em up. found ALOT of grease zerks that probably were never greased, hidden or buried under something or under a metal plug. now we know where they are!
The rubber drive boot that seals the hull/drive area was shot to the max. $100 for a new one.
needs new gear oil now and new left right rubber snubbers (dryrotted) under the snubbers were some grease zerks for greasing the up / down drive bushings
Day4 Engine removal V8 Ford 302
2 more hours of tinkering, should took 30 minutes or less for an experienced person
removed motor, took a couple hours being very careful, we measured the height oof the back of the boat to make sure the eng would clear once we had it up real high on the hoist. had a time getting the motor mount retaining lag bolts out, the wood was rotten, so they would only spin, even with pliers they wouldn't pull out, so we used a pry bar under em' while using an impact wrench to spin em out.
Ended up removing the rear axle on the trailer (the axle is SHOT anways), back of boat was nice and low now, the axle was in the way of the hoist anyways. so we could put the eng hoist in from the side, we didnt think there would be a enough room to spin the motor and raise it out, because the back of this boat has a platform around 20 inches wide, so it mighta hit that coming out.
anwyays, hooked the eng up, hooked trailer to my truck and eased the engine up some, spun it sideways, raised it to the max height, pulled the trailer out from under the hoist, otherwise trying to move the hoist maxed out it would have tipped over!
DAY 5 measuring inside of boat had to work (photo shoot),
later in the evening when I got back, we made a rough drawing of the interior layout of the boat interior, made alot of measurements and wrote em down, since we have to rebuild the eng compartment, stringers and such, was going to use pressure treated lumber and 3 layers of fiberglass, they dont make pressure treated 2x10s though! so regular pine it is pulled up some flooring someone else laid over the rotten stuff, doesnt look good, lots of spray in foam under the floor area too. 45 minutes
DAY 6 used Super Clean engine degreaser (purple jug by the gallon) from walmart (eng degreaser) and a brush, the motor cleaned up real nice. Plan is to replace water pump, fuel pump, rebuild carb, check compression, pull oil pan and check bearings, change oil, replace spark plugs (they looked good, no blown head gasket or extra oily plugs, just normal carbon fouling)
1 hour of cleaning engine, 1/2 hour to clean engine compartment in boat of leaves and oil, dog hair and such.
Ill update soon and often. Vegasphotoman.........
photos LOTS of photos are posted here and updated often http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman1/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman2/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman3/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman4/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman5/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman6/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman7/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman8/
http://www.lasvegaspix.com/projects/newman9/
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