1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

Dabbler_E

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My questions is: could a bad connection alone cause sudden, mysterious intermittent spark? Otherwise: stator, timer base, or power pack?

Motor: 1979 Johnson 70 hp
Symptoms:

Saturday -- running nearly WOT, and motor gradually slows, and then stalls once we're off plane. Very difficult to get restarted, only starts with warm up lever up (timing advanced). Dies when I try to get it in gear.

Sunday -- Running very poorly right from the get-go (cold start), stalls unless timing is advanced. Inductive timing light shows one cylinder gets intermittent spark, but the problem moves from cylinder to cylinder.

I take it home and run it on muffs, and get the same intermittent spark problem. Run resistance tests on stator (550 ohm) and sensor coils (18-20 ohm) -- both right in specs according to factory service manual. During this procedure I disconnected all the wiring harnesses going to and from the power pack.

Reconnect harnesses and start it up again -- now running fine. All cylinders getting decent spark.

Today: running fine. All cylinders getting good spark. All snap blue spark at 7/16" gap.
Borrowed an oscilloscope and the 3 sensor coils are all throwing 3v.

Now I'm in a quandry. I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that the original problem was gunk/corrosion in one of the wiring harnesses causing a gradual voltage drop that finally dropped below a threshold where the motor could function correctly. If so, I don't care to spend $80-$180 for a power pack or timer base if I don't need to, but I also don't care to get stranded again.

Have any of you outboard service pros had a similar problem caused by just bad connections?
 

zigzag

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Re: 1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

i'm going to bump this up for you. i have a 77 70hp that has some similar issues. i'd like to hear what others think about it.
 

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Re: 1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

sure dirty/loose connection could cause the problem. were you loosing spark on all or just 1 cylinder?
 

Dabbler_E

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Re: 1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

TD:

The intermittent spark was happening to 1 cylinder at a time, but the problem moved from cylinder to cylinder.
 

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Re: 1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

Examine your ignition coils carefully and replace them if swollen, cracked, distorted in any way, or discolored; remove and clean each coil ground.

You may want to test your powerpack: http://cdielectronics.com/InstallSheet/113-2138.pdf
 

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Re: 1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

Update:

Last night, I noticed that even though it was running well, the spark at 1/2" was not as strong or consistent on #3 as on #1 or #2. So, I switched the leads coming from the powerpack to coils #2 and #3, and now the #2 coil was producing weaker, less consistent spark. That coil is only a couple years old.

I'm in the midst of rigging up a peak-volt-reading adapter as per schematics posted on this forum. Hoping to really test the powerpack tonight.
 

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Re: 1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

Triumph!

The Jury-rigged DVA meter showed good sensor output (3 v across the board vs. 0.5 v min spec) good stator output (250 v vs. 150 v min spec), but poor powerpack output (180 v, 170 v, 140 v vs 150 v min spec).

New powerpack arrived today (I ordered both a PP and timer base from Iboats YESTERDAY, on the premise that by the time they arrived I'd have figured out which was the real problem -- speedy delivery!). Running sweet, can't wait to take it out.
 

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Re: 1979 Johnson 70 Intermittent spark: could bad connection be the culprit?

Was running great, then suddenly started shuddering and stalling as we left the dock. So frustrated! Thought I really had it figured out.

But.....inductive tach showed good spark to each cyl. Pulled the plugs at the dock and #3 was soaking wet. When I could get it to run, there was unburned fuel bubbling up.

Got home, pulled the air cover and started motor: smoke & gas spitting out of #3!
Pulled #3 carb to find a screw (which originally held the plastic air cleaner) stuck in the leaf plate.

Put it all back together (along with judicious use of LockTite), and now runs like a champ.

Had a great day on the water Sunday!
 
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