1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

bparker1962

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Hey Guys, Maiden Voyage of my 1980 StarCraft SS 160 today:D. Starts great,Idles Great, Clean as a whistle under the hood. The problem is acceleration! It falls on its face and dies! I can feather it and play with it for a few minutes and when it hits the sweet spot away we go ! It cruises great,cruised it for about 4 hours today,but when I stop and try to take off again the same thing happens.
Dirty carbs? Fuel filter?:confused: Anybody?
 

clemsonfor

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

Id try the easy thing and if you havent put a filter on recently id do that. Check the screen behind the fuel line on the pump for trash and next time your running pump the primer ball and see if you speed up.

A few things come to mind not really dirty carbs although it could be, but i think id try on the ignition, but i think you may have an air leak and be sucking air somewhere. Check all your connection and the fuel line for leaks where air can get in. This means in the line ffrom the tank and the lines to the carbs as well as check for bad leaks at the carb bowls.
 

Sixmark

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

Well we wouldn't know if they are dirty or if the fuel filter is bad, and the proper way to diagnose it is to start at square one, which involves you checking these things out.

Is the fuel tank vent working properly?

Are all of the lines and fittings good?

Carbs clean?

Fuel pump working properly?

Chances are they may be something gumming up the carbs or some dirt in there. However jumping right to that conclusion may leave you skipping over something else that is causing the problem.

P.S. is that a Torino I spy in your Avatar pic, it's not quite big enough on my screen to tell...
 

bparker1962

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

Thanks guys. Sunburn is preventing me from checking anything right now.lol Tommorrow I will start at square one. And yes six it's a 68' Torino GT Fastback.
 

bparker1962

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

Alright, I'd like to point out that I am a "Car Guy" and I have very,very little experience with outboard motors. I mean Carbs are Carbs,but needle bearings? And I just can't wrap my head around the "why" of no oil in the crankcase! The only thing that makes any sense about why to me is, the engine is on it's side for"direct drive"? No Jackshaft or the like?? Anyway, my point is, what may be obvious to you old seadogs, may be right in front of my face. All fuel lines,fitting hoses and filters check out ok. I don't know about the tank vent but, the tank looks new. I did notice 2 cycle oil had been dripping from the carbs/cover overnight (motor tilted up) and the plugs look oil fouled to me. Could this be as simple as too much oil in the mix and plugs. The tank was about half full when I got the boat last week. I topped it off with a 50:1 mix. Ran that out yesterday then added more 50:1 mix. Does two cycle oil go bad? Going to town for plugs and maybe seafoam,should probably pull and clean the carbs huh? I really hate to as good as it starts and idles. Any thought?
 
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patrick4266

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

If your a car guy then you understand basic machanic's. I too am a car guy. I started playing with these boat motors about 5 years ago with no marine experience what so ever. I found them to be a lot easier to work on than cars. Get you a omc manual for that motor, which is a great motor. To me it sounds like you need a link and sync but you need the manual to do it as it's different for different motors.
 

1kruzer1

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

Below is a copy of my long post (sorry) addressing my experience with this same problem to some one else. Your motor is newer, but maybe you can find some help in this anyway. . .

Re: Johnson 70hp 1978 model have bogging down problem
This is a common problem on an otherwise outstanding engine. The idle circuit on these loop-charged engines is very lean, and any slight disruption to fuel flow can cause this "lean bog" you are experiencing on acceleration. Mine is a 1976 Evinrude 70, and I about went nuts trying to correct the same problem. Here are a couple of things related to the carbs, even after a re-build:

1. If I remember correctly there are 3 very tiny fuel passages for the idle circuit of each carb. These are the tiny holes you see in the throat of the carb just behind the throttle plate. These ports need to be perfectly clean all the way through. Even after a "cleaning" during a rebuild, there can be deposits left in these ports. It's not so much a blockage, as a slight restriction by having slight deposits remain. It's worth it to have the carb bodies professionally boiled out to be sure all deposits are removed.

2. It's common after many years of use for the throttle plate shafts to wear a slight oblong shape into the carb body where the shaft passes through. This allows a slight amount of air to pass between the shaft and the carb body, and will slightly lean the mixture particularly at low speads. These particular motors are very sensitive to this, and it doesn't take much wear in this area to begin to cause a problem. Short of trying to find replacement carbs that aren't worn, a "fix" for this is to pack a small amount of heavy grease around the outside areas where the throttle shaft enters the carb body. OMC (now BRP) Triple Guard Grease is perfect for this as it's thick and tacky. Don't make a mess of things, you need just a thick film around the crevace area where the shaft enters the body of the carb. Do this only on the outside of the carb and do both sides, as the shaft exits on the opposite side of the carb body. The spring on the shaft isn't a problem, just pack a little grease at the edge where the shaft, spring, and carb body all meet. It's amazing how much this can help, and it lasts. I clean and re-apply the grease only about every other year on mine. It's quick, easy, and it DOES work if the engine is drawing air through here, as the grease seals this small air leak.

3. After doing some research I've concluded that OMC didn't have the idle jetting quite right on the earlier models of these engines. I don't have the jet numbers in front of me, but I replaced the low speed jets in mine with new ones that are 2 sizes larger. This completely solved my lean bog problem, and the engine still idles fine. Not quite as "clean" an idle as before, but still fine. Now, mine is a 1976 model. In 1977 OMC made a change and they started coming from the factory with an idle jet one step larger (richer) than my 1976 came with. This fact is what told me they recognized they had a problem. Your 1978 came with the same jets as the 1977 model, which means you already have idle jets that are 1 step richer than my originals were. By increasing 2 steps, my idle jets are now currently one step richer than yours. The jets are easy to experiment with, as they can be removed from the front of the carb without disassembly. Just be extremely careful not to allow the tiny low speed jet to drop in the carb throat when you change them. These jets are still readily available from a good Johnson/Evinrude dealer.

Installing the richer idle jets and keeping the throttle shaft entrance packed with a small amount of grease has completely solved my lean bog problem and it has remained solved for several years.
Good luck!
 
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mrcrabs

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

classic bad link & sync discription, timing advance needs to move before the butterflys start to open. Search this forum and get a manual.

1.http://search.ebscohost.com/ Login: marshall , Password: public

This site has a manual for the 70hp E/J and the link & sync procedure. Just follow the links, Small Engine Repair Reference Center then marine and boat motors, Login: marshall , Password: public
 

1kruzer1

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

I should add that my above info was AFTER exhaustive troubleshooting of my engine. Link & Synch, ignition, fuel pump, carb rebuild, etc. etc. Obviously you want to check / repair the more common causes first. Check that the timing plate isn't sticking at all. That's the top piece just under the flywheel that the large arm linkage is moving. It advances (moves forward) by spring tension only. The position of the arm limits its forward movement (holds it back) only. With the engine NOT running, advance the throttle lever. Now manually move the timing arm and plate back and forth. It should rotate back smoothly and spring forward instantly when you release it. Any friction or sluggishness here can cause your problem. Good luck!
 

bparker1962

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

Thanks again everybody. This is a great site,lots of information! The plugs I took out are set at about 40 is that right?
 
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mrcrabs

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Re: 1980 70hp johnson fuel problem

some do that thinking it helps them but if your setup right and using the correct champions .30 is where you want to be.
best thing I ever did was the dual stage boyesen reeds...w/ all new intake gaskets, now that made a difference :)
 
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