1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

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I have a 1058H2G motor that I am rebuilding the carbs on then Ill need to resync them and time the motor. The problem is there is only 1 mark on the flywheel and Im not sure what it is, Im looking for 30. Please check out the attached pictures....the mark is directly under the 10 on top.



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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

Does anyone have the same motor that can send me some pics at least?
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

Look again at your photos. The decal is between the 0 and 36 degree marks. To time the engine, you set the throttle at wide open and set the 36 degree mark to the fourth line on the left ( on the block pointer) for 32 degrees BTDC. Search my recent posts. I have one that goes into detail about timing.

If you still want 30 degrees, count teeth on the flywheel and divide into 360 (about 4 1/2 degrees per tooth. Then use that to set timing.
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

Look for a previous post by me entitled Chrysler Motorola distributor ignition.

Look at your photos again. The decal is between the 0 and 36 degree marks on the flywheel.
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

Holy carp....I didnt even see that. I was reading 316 and 10 instead of 36 and 0. Thanks so much.
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

The line next to the 0 and the line between the 3 and 6 are the actual timing marks.
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

Yea I didnt even notice that until you pointed it out. As far as timing I was following the sticky which read 30 BTDC but your forum post you said I should find says 36?
 

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I don't know why the engineers chose 36 degrees, but it is used to set the block pointer and then find top dead center. Unless you have the special tool or a precise depth gauge, you can not find top dead center and set your block pointer on it this way. You must feel for it OR decide that the block pointer is correct. For example, if the paint on the two screws holding the block pointer in place on its slots is not broken, then you can assume that the pointer was at that position when it left the factory and the pointer is correctly at TDC. NOW, you use the block pointer lines to find 32 degrees BTDC (old Chrysler factory recommendation) OR 30 degrees BTDC (new Chrysler factory and Force setting)

The reason for the special tool is because the piston at TDC can "rock" a couple of degrees about TDC without you being able to measure or feel it. Thus, using the tool you move it a very precise decimal number (something like .286 inches---I don't remember the exact number but they tell you in the Factory and Clymers manuals) This corresponds to exactly 36 degrees. Then, the block pointer can be set precisely at 36 degrees on the flywheel mark and timing can be accurately set to the 32 or 32 degree specification.

Because the stroke on the 125 (and Chrysler 140) is longer than other four cylinder engines (2.875 inches), 36 degrees corresponds to a larger decimal number--something like .320 inch.

Also note that the newer Force three cylinder engines have a pointer line cast into the top of the manifold. Apparently they think that this is accurate enough.
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

I tried searching for this but couldnt find the answer. What do I need to do to get the motor to crank at WOT? I think on my buddies Force we had to use a jump wire somewhere but it was awhile ago and I might be wrong.
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

To crank the engine in gear, simply jump from the battery cable on the solenoid to the yellow wire.
 

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Re: 1982 Chrysler 105HP - timing mark help

Thanks for all your help Frank. The timing was off my 2 degrees and I got all the carb work done. We took the boat out today and it never ran better....smooth idle, no misses and we were able to troll for 2 hours without even touching the throttle! Now I just need to figure out why it only runs at 4400 rpm at WOT.
 
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