1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

kgsmeatman

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1984 150 Evinrude Model # E150ANCRS
Motor is attached to Crestliner Nordic 21Ft
Before overhaul, motor pushed boat at 40mph
19 pitch prop
Heres how it runs right now on the water.
Starts and idols fine.
Throttle position from 1/2 or slighly over half to full there is not much to nothing there.
At wide open it only reaches 25 mph at 3200 rpm. Won't plane out.

Heres the short story and the million dollar question to a long drawn out saga to figure out why my 150 won't run right after it was comepletly overhauled over a year ago.
After several trips to the lake, and back to the shop with no difinitive answers, here is a list of the things that were checked or changed to try find a solution.

Carbs checked to determine position. ok
fuel;checked to determine delivery. ok
compression and leakdown, checked ok 85-90 psi
Electrical: checked coils,wires,CDI boxes,timing,everything even replaced the flywheel. electrical was checked for output on the water at full throttle by mechanic. checked ok but still lacked power at high end.
the shop tore the motor down a second time to check for internal errors. deemed ok.
as a last resort to increrease compression the shop shaved the heads 30 thousanths. Thats what it had to be Right? low compression?
Finaly gave the shop the ultimatum if they couldn't fix it I was taking it another shop.
took it to another shop, the guy looked in the sparkpug holes and told me the pistons were installed 180 degrees backwards. meaning the intake side of the domed piston (sharpside) was on the exhaust ( facing inward to the center) and the exhaust (gradually sloping)toward the outside. I concur i looked inside myself) Both sides are like this.
Heres the Question? Is this possible to install the pistons 180 degrees off without damage to the motor? ie Heads and pistons.
these pistons were looked at 3 times by the original overhaul shop without noticing this???????
ie 1. Original overhalul & assembly
2. Second teardown and assembly.
3. Head removal to shave .30 thousanths
i've been trying to do some research before I say too much and was told by another shop that this is not possible because the pistons would hit the heads if installed this way????
What do you guys say??? Who is right?
I've looked at the logs and can't find anything to this effect. Am i the only one that has gotten this lucky?
Any feedback appreciated!
 

DHPMARINE

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

Why did you do the overhaul ? Sounds like it was running pretty fair.

DHP
 

kgsmeatman

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

The overhaul was needed because i lost compresssion on one center cylinder. There were a couple other cylinders that had some scoring. Cause of the failure was thought to be water in the gas and bowls. Instead of doing a partial overhaul i opted to do a complete.
 

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

if this is a looper it might be possible and i dont think it would cause a lot of damage.
there are port and starboard pistons to be installed and orientated corectly only one posible position.
im just amazed it idled fine.

if its a crosflow i dont think your crank would even turn.
 

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

The crossflow (1984 150) has to have the sloping side of the pistons toward the center (exhaust) of the block. It's rare that the pistons don't hit the head especially if they cut .030 off the heads ( a giant no-no). (We're sure you don't mean .30)

You'll have to get them turned around one way or the other. If the rods are on the pistons correctly but the pistons are on the wrong side, the rods will be upside down too. The oil hole will be on the down side, not the up side.
 

DHPMARINE

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

Pistons being 180 out won't hit the head,it's a regular dome shape.Planed .030 heads will probably hit the pistons at high RPM's.

Has anyone addressed the exhaust side of your engine? Even if you get fuel/air in,it has to get out.

Did I ever tell you about the gearcase with the bearing carrier .........

DHP
 

kgsmeatman

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

No, But i'll take everything into account.
We talked about that as one of the maybe causes for the lack of rpms but ruled it out because everything turned so free on that.
I believe that the exhaust side was thouroughly cleaned when the block was bare. I did see the bare block when it was apart at the shop.

KGS
 

Capt Ken

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

78-91 V 6 engines take the same piston which is the crowned like you have. If you install them backward, they will not go into the indenture of the head and will lock the engine. Like some pistons that have port and starboard differences, your's doesn't But If they should have little arrows that point toward exhaust. The newer Looper takes the flat piston.
Did anyone check to be sure the timer base is advancing?
 

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

Its easy to identify if they are right. Look at the piston from the rear of the engine. Imagine the shape of the piston to have an arrow head shape,the arrow should be looking to the outsise of the eng. not inside,looking at the ports makes sense too. As to whether it would work,well,if they are 180 out,the answer is yes ,but not well.There were different heads for the crossflow,perhaps the low compression heads allowed for the piston to reach top dead center and not hit the head.If the guy put the pistons in backward,you might look to sue if they dont make it right. Ask the other shop to verify in writing the mistake and go from there.Do you have a manual,if not look online for a picture,perhaps someone can send you a picture of proper installation.I'm not computer smart,but I got a manual and built many xflow p/heads .hope you get a positive result.Keep us posted/
 

Frontier Bob

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

KGS, maybe you should look at some other possibilities.

1. Do you still have the trailer strapped to the boat when you are running it?

2. Is your lawn furniture umbrella causing too much wind drag? (I wish I could attach the picture)

3. Maybe 310 cases of Milwaukee's best weighs too much? Load re distribution may help.

Good luck with getting the thing fixed, I know you are about ready to pull the plug. (Literally)
 

DHPMARINE

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Re: 1984 Evinrude 150 hp has no top end power after overhaul

Guess ya gotta pull a head off and verify the piston orientaion .The head gasket is under $25.00.I just don't think it would idle/run OK at low speeds if this were true. But you have to be sure.

An engine is an air pump.You put air in one side,and it comes out the other side.I still think the air can't get out of your engine.

What else was done beside powerhead rebuild?

DHP
 
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