1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

EZSteury

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Well today I had a chance to finally take the boat out for a couple of hours, it started fine and (thanks to some very helpful members from this forum) the new propeller performed very nicely. I do however have a ignition problem, it will randomly cut out at low rpms, I put the spark tester at 1/2" and the spark does jump fine but some times it will not fire and it is then that the engine stumbles for a second. I installed a new coil thinking that would fix it and it was a rookie mistake, something else is causing it skip some times but I do not know what is and don't want to buy a CD2 power-pack to find out that isn't either. Some one please help Me, I don't know if I'll get another chance to take it in the water this year but at least I want to have it running right by next season.

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

Is this problem more of a spitting back type thing, sort of a mild backfire without the loud explosion? If so, that would be caused by a lean running slow speed setting of the carburetor?

How can you tell that the engine has lost ignition momentarily when it encoiunters that stumbling scenario? Guessing?
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

I made a spark tester with instructions from this forum and set it to 1/2" then I start the engine with it set on one spark plug then the other and I can see the spark jumps most times and when it doesn't I can hear the engine shakes a little and sounds like it cuts off for an instant then is back to normal. I didn't do it when I was in the water with the engine running and in forward gear.
The engine does have some trouble starting for the first time after a while, it also does this some times when I'm on the water and find a school of fish and stay there for a while then I try to start it and takes some cranking and pumping to get the fuel up, I also have to start very low rpms if I put it in gear to get going and move the throttle slowly or it will die at first.
I'm very grateful it finally worked almost as it should today.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

Wait a minute....you say your spark tester is in series with the spark plug? So the spark has to jump a 1/2" gap, then go on to jump the gap in the plug? You might just be asking too much of it. Can you set your tester down to about 1/4" or less? That will give you a visual without stressing the system so much.

I too, wonder if it is running too lean on the idle mixture adjustment, and doing the lean sneeze thing. That could also count for the conking out when you try to accelerate.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

Put a timing light on it, turn the light around and look into it. If you see black spots that indicates a misfire.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

I made a spark tester with instructions from this forum and set it to 1/2" then I start the engine with it set on one spark plug then the other.

Don't do that as a setup such as that creates too much resistance.

1 - Both spark plugs are to be removed.

2 - One end of the tester is to be attached a spark plug wire.

3 - The other end of the tester is to attached to a powerhead ground.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

Ok thank You all for clarifying it for Me, I ill do as You described. It is possible that it is running too lean bc I had to turn the low idle needle CC to help it stay ON when I shift it to forward gear.
I bought the timing light and connected it to the solenoid wires and ground it then turned the engine but I got nothing until the last stroke and the only thing I can turn is a screw bolted to the starter bracket with the throttle at WOT so I tried to put everything back the way it was in hopes it would stay the same as it was, assuming it was fine from the beginning.

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

You need a service manual in order to avoid expensive errors... that screw attached to the starter bracket is the full spark timing advance stop. If that is not exact (too far advanced) pre-ignition will tank place that could (and usually does) cause the pistons to melt down.

Testing for spark or using a timing light at cranking speed, the spark plugs must be removed in order to obtain the highest cranking speed which is required to have the stator energize the powerpack. To reset the full spark timing, see the following.........

(Timing At Cranking Speed 4?)
(J. Reeves)

NOTE: If your engine has the "Fast Start" feature", you must disconnect/eliminate that feature in order to use the following method. The "Fast Start" automatically advances the spark electronically when the engine first starts, dropping it to normal when the engine reaches a certain temperature.

The full spark advance can be adjusted at cranking speed,"without" have the engine running as follows.

To set the timing on that engine, have the s/plugs out, and have the throttle at full, set that timer base under the flywheel tight against the rubber stop on the end of the full spark timer advance stop screw (wire it against that stop if necessary).

Rig up a spark tester on the #1 cylinder plug wire. Hook up the timing light to the #1 plug wire. Crank the engine over and set the spark advance to 4? less than what the engine calls for.

It's a good idea to ground the other plug wires to avoid sparks that could ignite fuel that may shoot out of the plug holes. I've personally never grounded them out and have never encountered a problem but it could happen.

I don't know the full spark advance setting your engine calls for, but to pick a figure, say your engine calls for 28?, set the timing at 24?. The reasoning for the 4? difference is that when the engine is actually running, due to the nature of the solid state ignition components, the engine gains the extra 4?.

If you set the engine to its true setting at cranking speed, when running it will advance beyond its limit by 4? which will set up pre-ignition causing guaranteed piston damage! You don't want that to take place.

No need to be concerned about the idle timing as that will take care of itself. The main concern is the full advance setting.

A fellow member from one of the various marine forums suggested having water supplied to the water pump (flushette or barrel) simply to provide lubrication to impeller. A worthwhile suggestion I thought, and entered here.

Be sure to use your own engines spark advance settings, not the one I picked out of the air here in my notes.
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(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)
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Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.

Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

I was talking about putting the timing light on each cylinder when it's running. If you see the black spots, that's the cylinder that's misfiring.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

Joe thank You for the explanation I have read that one a few times while searching this forum, I just don't quite got the hole process understood yet as to where I have to aim the gun at, etc on My engine. I do have a generic manual that covers My model year but I will have to read more to understand all that takes place when doing this.

Boobie, I really don't know how to time this engine yet, I'm sure many know this by heart but I'm lost with some of the terms You guys use I'm a rookie when it comes to two strokes but I can learn if You can explain it to Me.

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

You're not checking any timing in what I told you in post #9. All you're looking for is a misfiring cylinder. All you're looking for is black spots and if you see them the cyl is misfiring.
 

EZSteury

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

You're not checking any timing in what I told you in post #9. All you're looking for is a misfiring cylinder. All you're looking for is black spots and if you see them the cyl is misfiring.

You know, now I remember when I was rebuilding the power head on this motor the bottom cylinder's top was all black and I have to clean it with carb cleaner many times, it is possible it was misfiring for some time then, right?

I'll pull the plug and look again. Thank You.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

I didn't get to the motor yet but I was looking at My manual for some instructions to time it, it says "Timing adjustments are not required on
models with a CD 2 ignition. If the wires are
correctly positioned in the 3-wire and 4-wire
connectors, proper ignition timing will be
maintained, provided the following
adjustments are made correctly." When I look at the flywheel it does have timing marks but I don't see a way to change it on this motor. What am I doing wrong?

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

Ok the only change I can do is in case the timing is not at 30 degrees (26 degrees in a test tank) is turn the timing stop screw in or out. What if I never run it at full throttle bc I like to go slow in it? how does the timing stop screw or timing affect what I do at any other rpm other than full throttle?
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

How does the timing stop screw or timing affect what I do at any other rpm other than full throttle?

The timer base/armature plate swings across and seats against the full spark advance stop (rubber bumper on the timing screw) when the throttle is roughly about half to three quarters throttle..... long before full throttle is met.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

The timer base/armature plate swings across and seats against the full spark advance stop (rubber bumper on the timing screw) when the throttle is roughly about half to three quarters throttle..... long before full throttle is met.

Ok, I think I missing that part then, Thank You for explaining it to Me.
 

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Re: 1984 evinrude 35hp ignition issue

EZSteury I have had good luck on finding arcing buy just running the motor at night with the hood off, look & listen for a spark jumping . If this produces no result i then hook up neon in line spark checkers 1 to each plugs & wires and go for a little boat ride just before it gets dark, the neon checker will give you a visual of the cylinder dropping. this will get you in the ball park, to at least knowing which cylinder is having troubles. good luck
 
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