1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

jayard78

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I bought a boat w/ a 1985 Johnson 50hp (2cyl, 2 stroke) and it turned out one of the cylinders had zero compression and the piston is chewed. I have since bought and mounted a 1980 Mercury outboard but I was wondering what the chances are of rebuilding this piston/cylinder on my own w/o any mechanics help in my spare time.

The motor is REALLY nice but it just has this piston that is blown (Much better condition than my somewhat running mercury).
Will I need a lot of specialty tools?
Will I need to spend much on parts?
I know this will take a lot of time but is this feasible for someone who is somewhat mechanical or should I just cut my losses and sell it for a 100 dollar part motor.
 

HybridMX6

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

IMO, I'd keep it and rebuild it if you have the time and money. I'm about $1200 into rebuilding a 3cyl 60hp myself, and $330 of that is buying it. I have about $300 more in parts that I need to get it all done. Here is what I would do if you are interested in doing it.
1st: Buy a factory service manual. It will help a ton and really helps find all the little in's and out's of getting it apart and back together again.
I have done my entire rebuild with justy basic tools so far, and the only special tool I had to buy was a harmonic balancer puller from a local auto parts store so I could pull the flywheel. You will need one as well unless you already have one. Everything else I have done myself, except the machine work boring/honing cylinders. I had to have 1 bored over and the other 2 just honed. Funny thing is, someone had already worked on the engine before and bored the 2 I'm leaving alone yet not touched the 1 I had to have bored over. At least now they will all be the same bore. I spent $100 on machine shop labor, everything else has been parts for the engine. And honestly, I can count $200 at least that I had to replace because the engine had been neglected for too long. Here is a basic list of parts you will be wanting, and/or things you will probably want to do while yo have it apart anyways.
Carb rebuilds: Just do them while you have it apart. Good chance they might be clogged anyways. about $35/kit. You would need 2 I believe, since it's a 2cyl.
Water Pump kit: You might be able to just replace the impeller, but for $75 you can buy the entire kit, which has the housing, impeller, plate, etc. Mine was trashed.
Change lower unit gear lube while you are at it and if possible, pressure test the lower unit. You can build your own tool for this for $20. It's a bicycle pump with air guage, and a lower unit oil pump/hose. You use the fitting from the hose and attach it to the bicycle pump, then pump 10psi into the lower unit. From my uderstanding, if it holds 10psi for an hour it's good. If not, submerge it in water and look for the leak, whick will be known by the air bubbles coming out of it.
And of course engine parts. That will depend on how much you want to spend and how bad the cylinders are. If the 2nd cylinder is out of round or out of spec, it will need to be bored as well. The shop charged $35 for boring, $25 for honing, per cylinder. I am replacing everything except the pistons/rods in all 3 cylinders. Top cylinder (the one I had bored) is getting new piston, rings, and all bearings. Bottom 2 cylinders are getting new rings and all bearings. Also getting new crank bearings, powerhead gasket set, main crank seal/bearing (forgot the tech term for it). I just built a motor stand for it to sit on (instructions for that can be found on iboats), and have done all the work from there. I just picked up the powerhead once I had it unbolted, it wasn't terrible heavy with all the carbs off, flywheel off, electrical off, etc. Just down to the basic block.

Hope that helps a little. Do some pricing out of parts and get a feel for what it's going to cost, then decide from there. Worst case I'd tear it down, learn a lot about how to do it, and if it's too much $$$ to spend to fix it, part it out. You will get more $$$ if you do it yourself opposed to selling it as a whole, and the knowledge you will learn from doing it will be priceless.
 

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

buy the Johnson service manual for that particular motor, go thru it. you stand a 99% chance of failing without the manual. with the manual 99% chance of repairing your motor, outboardbooks.com , i check ebay nothing there this morning.
 

jayard78

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

Ok I will give it a shot in my spare time. When I'm not trying to get this mecury motor to work, and when I'm not fishing if I do get it to work. Thanks for the tips guys.
 

rolmops

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

Ok I will give it a shot in my spare time. When I'm not trying to get this mecury motor to work, and when I'm not fishing if I do get it to work. Thanks for the tips guys.

I rebuild a 1987 50 horse,which is the same thing.With a factory manual,it is a simple thing to do.
The only big expense I had was redoing the cylinder and buying the piston and whatever goes with it.
If it is only one and not both,you should be able to do it under $200
 

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

I rebuild a 1987 50 horse,which is the same thing.With a factory manual,it is a simple thing to do.
The only big expense I had was redoing the cylinder and buying the piston and whatever goes with it.
If it is only one and not both,you should be able to do it under $200

Some of these 1985s came with a vro pump instead of a regular fuel pump.If yours does,make sure that it is not a first generation vro pump.they had their problems.If it is a first generation vro pump you should replace it with either a regular fuel pump or a vro pump that is at least from the mid nineties,when all the bugs were worked out of them.
 

jayard78

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

It says VRO50 on the motor cover so probably so. How many man hours am I looking at, roughly estimated of course?
 

rolmops

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

It says VRO50 on the motor cover so probably so. How many man hours am I looking at, roughly estimated of course?

It is the sort of thing that goes in stages.
Once you have the the manual,get a camera and shoot a few pics.Then as you take things apart,put every group in its own plastic bag and write on the bag what group the nuts and bolts belong to.This way you will save yourself a lot of time at reconstruction time.Every time you take something apart take pictures as you go.
Taking it apart should not take you longer than 2 or 3 hours tops and that is taking it easy.Do not try to force any bolts just heat them a bit and use pc blaster.Many of the bolts have been dipped in blue locktite so just a bit of heat will prevent broken bolts.
Having the crank case rebored and honed is a machine shop job and dependent on their schedule it can take a day or a week.
Rebuilding should take no longer than 3 or 4 hours.Just make sure that you have all the seals and gaskets and other parts that you need before you start.It is always a good idea to use loctite.The factory manual will tell you where to use it.
Then there is my very own special tool to help the piston rings slide into the cylinder.It is called a "22 ounce plastic soft drink bottle".just cut it into two pieces and then make a length wise cut of say 3 inches.After you have put the rings in place,just set the bottle around the piston and squeeze.The rings will get into their proper place and now,with a stick through the bottle neck,press down on the piston and in she goes!
I would not try to reuse a 1985 vro pump.These pumps would produce a 1:100 mix under certain circumstances and I suspect that they caused a lot of good motors to self destruct
Personally I believe in premixing my own fuel(the "keep it simple stupid" principal) and would buy a regular fuel pump.If you are so inclined you can buy a new vro pump but be aware that there is a very significant price difference between the 2 (something like a $300 dollar difference) and that makes for a lot of fuel.
Good luck.
 

jayard78

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Re: 1985 Johnson 50hp needs piston rebuilt

Thanks for the good advice.
 
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