1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

Kellyz2

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At wide-open throttle, engine will run for approximately 5 minutes, and then just die. Like the ignition was turned off. Each additional try to run at full throttle will result in a shorter time frame before it dies.

Doesn?t appear to be fuel starvation because the fuel line bulb does not deflate, and engine will restart immediately at the turn of the key.

Engine trolls down nicely and runs at trolling speed for hours with no issues. When returning to dock, engine would die shortly after running at WOT.

Not sure if the 85 engines have the OMC S.L.O.W. feature, but this is how it seems to react, as if it did have the S.L.O.W. feature.

My sense is that it is an overheat problem. Had to limp to dock after the last outing. The next morning, on muffs, it started right up and was running smooth on all 3 cylinders.

I did a wiggle test on connections, changed the fuel line, filter, plugs, checked all electrical grounds for shorts, checked alarms for oil and overheat. Everything was good. I marked the oil level on the oil reservoir for the VRO, before going out.

Put the boat in the water and the problem repeated. The oil level barely moved in spite of what was a pretty good amount of motor usage.

Local tech say he put 10 hours into trying to find the problem. Compression was good, fuel pump good, power pack good. Says it's not electrical but suspects engine is just worn out. I think he decided he spent enough time on a 22 year old motor. I've got fuel, spark, compression. Not willing to give up on my baby yet!

Anyone seen this problem or have suggestions on what might be next steps.

Thanks guys, this site has helped me greatly in the past.

Mike
 

Fishstick1962

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

You have probably heard all of this before...But!
I would start with the fuel tank vent and then look at the fuel pump diaphram or vro pump which is also a fuel pump.
Good luck!
 

hoeser

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

The engine is not just "worn out" if you have good compression. What are the compression numbers by the way? You said the VRO didn't move much oil? It mixes at variable ratios, it's probably O.K but if it isn't, the compression numbers will tell the story.

It sounds to me like a/the power pack(s) are overheating and failing. I know you said it's not fuel, but try pumping the bulb or pushing the key in when it's failing to see if it brings it back to life.
 

Kellyz2

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

Thanks for the feed back Hoeser and Fish.

Compression in cyl 1 & 3 110psi, cyl 2 is at 115psi.

This thing runs all day on muffs, and I don't want to over rev the engine by putting it in gear and opening it up with out a load, so based on research and your suggestions, I am going to use a hair dryer to heat the power pac and see if it fails.

I was also thinking of replacing the fuel pump because it is the original. Just don't want to start investing in parts I probably don't need.

Thanks again.

Mike
 

hoeser

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

well compression certainly isn't the issue... good call on not revving, keep it under 1500rpm on muffs.
 

Walker

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

Thanks for the feed back Hoeser and Fish.

Compression in cyl 1 & 3 110psi, cyl 2 is at 115psi.

This thing runs all day on muffs, and I don't want to over rev the engine by putting it in gear and opening it up with out a load, so based on research and your suggestions, I am going to use a hair dryer to heat the power pac and see if it fails.

I was also thinking of replacing the fuel pump because it is the original. Just don't want to start investing in parts I probably don't need.

Thanks again.

Mike

Take her out again and have someone constantly squeeze the bulb while running. I too suspect a weak fuel pump.
 

jtexas

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

the heck did your so-called tech spend 10 hours doing only to conclude that an engine that young with good compression is "worn out"? sure hope you didn't pay for all that wasted time.

follow these suggestions, find the problem, then go get your money back!
 

Kellyz2

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70 HP quits under load

Walker and JT,
Thanks, Im thinking I will replace fuel pump and Power pack.

Tech's not a bad guy, and felt bad he couldn't figure this out. I still feel he didn't want to invest any more time in this when he could be making money on the easy stuff.

Thanks for the feed back.

Mike
 
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