1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

Bomber86

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I have typed this message 3 times while logged in, but it keeps stating I'm not logged in while trying to post. One more time...

My boat is back in the shop for the third time, and can't seem to fix the problem. Started a couple months back when I was fishing. Boat was running great until midday, then tried to crank motor and wouldn't fire. After several minutes and assuming I flooded it, let it sit for 20 minutes and tried again with the same result. Another 20, same result.

Pumped primer bulb on fuel line (it was soft) and fired right up. Throttled up to come on plane and dies...won't restart. Pump bulb again and fires right up. After repeating 3-4 times, I receive no-oil alarm. Shut it down and repeat procedure, get constant overheat alarm. Trolling motor back to the ramp!

In the shop, mechanic changes fuel and oil lines, and replaces VRO. Back on the water, it comes right up and runs great for 2 minutes, then get no-oil alarm. Shut it down and restart, alarm gone. Back on plane and run for 2 minutes, same alarm. Happens a 3rd time, so I run at 3500 rpm to fishing hole without a problem.

Take off an hour later, and run 2 minutes on plane at WOT and engine starts bogging down and dies. Starts right up and back on plane for 1-2 minutes, same thing. No alarm this time, so I assume there may have been air in the line that cleared out.

Ran fine back to the ramp. While trailering the boat, the engine boggs and dies when I hit throttle. Does this ever time I try it, so have to winch it up.

Back in the shop, the mechanic cannot duplicate problem. Runs on dyno for 2.5 hours at various rpms and runs fine. Tightens all hoses and adds fuel conditioner and oil to the gas.

Back on the water, it comes up on plane and runs great across the lake. An hour later, I crank the motor and it starts bogging down and dies when I throttle up. Continues to do this for several attempts, then discover I can pull back on throttle before it dies and returns to idle. Repeating this numerous times, it finally catches and takes off. Does not die while running on plane.

Problem continues throughout the day, then cannot get on plane to return to ramp, so we idle back. I drop my partner and pull away from the dock and it comes right up and runs great. Try to load on the trailer, and it chokes and dies again.

It is back in the shop right now. I am guessing it may be a carb. issue but was hoping to hear a knowlegeable response before they hit me for big money again.

It should be noted that the engine does not start easy. It will fire right up using the choke and key primer, but will not stay running. If I push the key primer again when it starts to die, it keeps running. Must do this numerous times until it warms enough to idle. It coughs and sputters alot when cold, and normally have to restart 4-5 times in the morning. It is much easier to start as the day goes on.

Can anyone share some insight as to what the issue might be?
 

jonesg

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

"It should be noted that the engine does not start easy. It will fire right up using the choke and key primer, but will not stay running. If I push the key primer again when it starts to die, it keeps running. Must do this numerous times until it warms enough to idle. "

thats what its supposed to do.
You are supposed to keep bumping the key until it warms slightly.

Sounds like fuel pump or delivery issue , primer bulb etc.
Buy the factory manual fix it yerself.
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Most of us aren't mechanics at all.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

what has been checked? spark on all four, compression, carbs cleaned rebuild kit, thermostat, has anyone cleaned the oil tank, is this a Johnson/Evinrude certified mech????
 

Bomber86

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

Guys,

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to read and respond to my troubles. I can see by how far my post moved down the list that there are many people like me who only have a very basic understanding of what is under the cowling. Thanks again!

jonesg - I have owned this boat for 5 years, and it has gotten increasingly more difficult keep running at the startup than it was when I bought it. Just wanted to point this out in the event it might help with diagnosis. My fishing buddy has a 90 hp version of the same engine (same year), but doesn't have this issue.

tashadaddy - Compression is 110 in all 4 cylinders. Spark to all cylinders. Thermostats replaced this past spring. Oil tank has not been cleaned. Not sure if mechanic is certified Johnson mechanic, but has worked for years at this place.

Just picked the boat up. They soaked carb overnight and installed rebuild kit today. They found a grey, pasty substance in the carbs, that he said he has never seen before. Only charged for the kit, no labor. They ran again for 2+ hours on dyno and said it ran fine. Will have to get it on the water again this weekend to know for sure.
 

Dhadley

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

Just picked the boat up. They soaked carb overnight and installed rebuild kit today. They found a grey, pasty substance in the carbs, that he said he has never seen before.

Welcome to the world of E-10 fuel. If you have a built in tank you'll probably want to look at the anti-siphon valve. Also make sure you have at least a 10 micron filter on your water separator too. Sometimes that's not small enough either.
 

Bomber86

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

Back out on the water this weekend.

I could get the boat on plane, and would run great. No alarms or problems with the engine dying.

The issue continues to be when I trottle up. When I quickly move the trottle wide open to bring it on plane, it boggs down. If I ease the trottle forward slowly, it will hesitate slightly, but then opens up and works fine.

Dhadley - I am a novice when it comes to this stuff. I have the Seloc manual for my engine, but don't see a reference to the "water separator or anti-siphon valve. I do have a built in tank. Are these part of the fuel pick up assembly in the tank?
 

Cucaracho

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

I had the exact same problem.
My problem was solved when I cleaned the jets in the carb.
They were clogged because of bad fuel or old fuel. This was after changing al lines, filters, cleaning gas tank............

I am very sure this is the same problem, the symptoms are the same.

Hope it helps.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

Just as a precaution, I'd take a fuel sample and check for water in the fuel. Probably none, but is worth the peace of mind to check it.
 

cdoliver

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Re: 1986 110 Johnson - alarms and running issues

the antisiphon valve is inside the connector where the fuel hose connects to the tank. It is a little ball. You should check this as Dhadley has said. I would bet this is your problem. It was mine.
 
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