1987 75hp 3cyl Mariner spark plug question

shags72

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I have surface gap plugs in this engine and have heard that standard groudstrap plugs will help on idle and foul less. Can I put them in and if so what plug can I use. I think I remember when I first changed the plugs years ago it having standard plugs in it. Thanks
 

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If you can find a Mercury-approved spark plug with a strap, go ahead and use it. However, I do not think you will. I would not use any spark plug unless Mercury recommends it for your motor.

As for less fouling and better idle, which are related, the surface gap plugs were invented to help prevent fouling and improve idle.

If you are having trouble with plug fouling, you have other issues than the spark plugs. You have a leaky fuel pump diagram, bad carb floats, water in the motor or some other issue, I would think.
 

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Sorry I posted in the wrong forum. I was in a hurry this morning and misread the title. Is there a way to move it or should I just repost?

I am looking for the Merc approved plug. I am pretty sure there were some in it years ago. I wonder if they replaced the original plugs with the surface gap plugs.
 

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1987 75hp 3cyl Mariner spark plug question Again

I posted this in the wrong forum earlier and figured I would post here too.

I have surface gap plugs in this engine and have heard that standard groundstrap plugs will help on idle and foul less. Can I put them in and if so what plug can I use. I think I remember when I first changed the plugs years ago it having standard plugs in it. I have NGK BUZHW-2 plugs in it. Thanks
 

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Oh I did just rebuild the fuel pump because it was smoking bad on the muffs, then when I took it out it loaded up horribly. So that should be fixed. Fired up good, didn't really smoke so that should be fixed. I looked at one plug and it had a black mark crossing the ceramic and the other 2 were completely black ceramics.
 

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I hear ya! I just put the BUHW-2's in it. But still can't shake the thought that there were standards in it when we got the boat.
 

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If standard spark plugs are specified for that year and HP motor, you might try them. Other than that, your memory doesn't help you.

If std plugs were specified and are no longer specified, there is a reason.
 

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Sorry I posted in the wrong forum. I was in a hurry this morning and misread the title. Is there a way to move it or should I just repost?

You should look at your thread before starting a duplicate. The marvelous Mods moved the thread before you knew it was in the wrong section.
 

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I had a 2002 90 of that engine series and in my OEM service manual there were 2 plugs listed, one SG the other conventional. I donated my boat and that manual went with it. Currently I have a 115 which uses the same manual but this one is a 2015 revision. It lists 2 different SG plugs but no conventional for the 3 cyl engine.

My reading up on the SG plug usage (don't remember where: was that it did better at WOT for long periods of time since it was not heat sensitive like conventional extended center electrode plugs that (apparently) tended to over heat....even though they were cool range plugs in these engines.

I am in my skivvies having coffee. Just for you I will go out to the shop and find some old ones that I put in my 90 and give you the number for that gapped plug for which you search....be right back.
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Well, I thought I had some old ones in my scrap plug bin but I guess not. FYI, current listing for the 3 cyl engine are NGK surface gaps: BUHW-2 or Inductor plug (suppresses radio interference) BUZHW-2.

For reference, the 4 cyl engine of the series list NGK: BP8H-N-10 or inductor BPZ8H-N-10, Both .040" gapped, conventional plugs. No SG plugs listed for this series. Personally I found that for what I do with the 4 cyl engine, 80% mid RPM range cruising, the 8 heat range is too cold. Dropping to 6 (2 heat ranges HOTTER in NGK plugs) gives me better performance and tan, dry insulators, vs wet, gray with the 8.

With 2 strokers running such high spark advance, I don't worry about pre ignition with the hotter plugs as I run 91 octane gasoline which the engine seems to like. With 87 being the minimum rating for the engine...for their reasons, that could be a reason for specifying the 8 heat range rather than a hotter plug.
 
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Well I do appreciate the effort Texasmark! I ended up with the noninductors as I wanted to run the boat. I will look around for an old version of the manual and see if I can find it in there. At least I now have some confirmation that it is possible that it had conventional plugs in it at some point as I remember. I had watched a video where a boat mech said that the conventionals would start and idle better. I don't know personally but figured it would be a cheap test. LOL. Now that I think about it I think a buddy has an old Mercury manual. Maybe it will have it in there. Sorry I took awhile I lost my login somehow and had to do a password reset again. Tried to upload pics of my sparkplugs but keep getting errors.
 

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Well I do appreciate the effort Texasmark! I ended up with the noninductors as I wanted to run the boat. I will look around for an old version of the manual and see if I can find it in there. At least I now have some confirmation that it is possible that it had conventional plugs in it at some point as I remember. I had watched a video where a boat mech said that the conventionals would start and idle better. I don't know personally but figured it would be a cheap test. LOL. Now that I think about it I think a buddy has an old Mercury manual. Maybe it will have it in there. Sorry I took awhile I lost my login somehow and had to do a password reset again. Tried to upload pics of my sparkplugs but keep getting errors.

Starting and improved idling was my reason for trying the gapped plugs. My recollection of why the gapped plugs is that they are used as they don't have heat problems like gapped plugs for long term high rpm running.

If you go to the NGK spark plug manual, you can find your existing gapless plug and obtain some information for use in finding a suitable gapped plug. Things you need to know are threads per inch and hole diameter, heat range and length of threads protruding into the combustion chamber. The NGK catalog shows you where in the part number those parameters are located.

Your recommended surface gap plug:
BUZHW-2
B: 14 mm diameter thread, 13/16 hex
U: Surface gap
Z: If used, inductor suppressor
w: Tungsten electrode
-2: No information....probably special processing of some sort

1987 through 1999 series engines are not listed in their applications charts for Merc 75 and 90 hp engines. For earler engines your current plug is the only listing. A suitable slightly projected insulator plug similar to the one used in the 4 cylinder engines would be:

BPZ8H-10-N:

B: 14mm diameter thread, 13/16 hex nut
P: Projected electrode (not surface gap)
Z: Inductor for interference suppression if needed otherwise omit
8: Heat Range 8 a medium number...2 is their hottest, 12 their coldest...you be the judge of what you want to run and why
H: 12.7mm (½" thread depth)...same as surface gap but protruding ground pin and insulator project farther into combustion chamber.....I ran them in my 90 but you will want to check your clearance with the piston at TDC to ensure. Should have plenty of room.....if they were to impact the piston, they wouldn't have been listed as an alternate in the service manual in the first place...........
-N: Strengthened G.E. whatever that means...guess E means electrode, no idea as to what the G stands for.
10: 0.040 gap which Mercury engines use. No number puts it at 0.030-35 inch range.....larger gap allows the energy to rise to a higher level aiding in firing dirty plugs. Since Merc boasts of 40 kv open circuit, no problem jumping that gap.

Final note. What you do to/with your rig is your doing, not mine. I tossed out some information in an attempt to help you in your quest for faster starting and better idling possible improvements. Have no idea as to whether or not they will help your situation.
 

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So you ran the standard plugs for better starting then. Now that is great to know that someone else is on the same page. Did it work would be my next question? Wow! That's alot of info sir! I don't run the thing wot all the time. Usually around 35-4000 which is a nice smooth speed in the boat around 27mph so I don't think the SG plugs advantage at wot will be much loss for me. I understand that this is my choice to do what I want with your info so I wouldn't hold you responsible if anything goes wrong. I have to do my own research to ensure I don't hit the piston. Which to me is the most important thing LOL! Barring pulling the head claying the piston and putting the head back on and turning it over by hand, which I don't really want to do, I don't know how to check plug clearance for the ground strap. I will do some checking on that. I think I will start with the 8 heat range if I do goto the standard plug to begin with but will check for tan from there.
I can't thank you enough for your knowledge and you imparting it so freely. That is a rare and immeasurable trait to have.
 

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It does not appear that Mercury made a 75HP motor in 1987. They made a 70HP and an 80HP motor.

In addition, most Mercurys of that vintage do not have a removable cylinder head.


Just so you know...
 

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Hmm I didn't know that. I will have to take a look.

My comments were from the manual that covers 3 and 4 cylinder inline engines of 60 HP (Jet application, 75 prop application) thru 125 HP 2 stroke engines, from 1994 and newer. Surely there are similarities to earlier engines.
 
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