1990 120 evinrude powerpack

hookedonjc

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My engine is a 120 1990 looper V4. History of the engine is I rebuilt it 2 years ago. All new pistons water pump and carb kit. I removed the VRO and mix oil 50:1. I have made some timing adjustments. Ive had a problem ever since I just dont seem to have power on take off I have added a fin to get the boat out of the hole. I want to get that thing off . Could my problem be in the WOT timing?or Power Pack and if so the manual calls for a test prop in a test tank. How else can I make the WOT timing adjustment. I have the engine in a drum full of water.<br />Also Im not seeing a change in timing when I disconect Quick Start lead going to temp.<br />Im showing about 8 deg ATDC on all 4 cylinders at idle. <br />Thanks for any help<br />Hooked
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

First thing is a compression test, then spark and fuel. Make sure all cylinders are firing. Might need to do a link&sync. If all the carbs aren't together and opening at the right time with the timmer advance then you won't get peak performance. Also that motor is notorious for fouling the grounds of the ignition coils. Pull the coils and clean the engine bock and coil grounds.
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

I have made the link&synk according to the manual. I havent checked the grounding. I will check it out.<br />Thanks<br />hooked
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

Well I pulled all the coils off and cleaned for a good ground. I checked each one with a test plug before installing the plugs. I found that 1 and 3 were only fring every now and then. I can tap on the power pack and they will fire some what better. I checked all wiring conections and all were good. So I guess I need a power pack ? Does this sound right to you?<br />Hooked
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

I have also checked the stop circuit it is OK
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

Sorry late getting back<br />Im running Champion QL77JC4 Plugs
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

Does a new power pack sound like the next step? any ideas.<br />Hooked
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

Hooked, swap the #1 & #3 coils with 2 & 4 and see if the intermittant spark follows them to the other side.
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

I done as you said and the coils fire fine over on 2 & 4. I tried a trick an ole timer said to do wich is pop the top of the power pack with a wrench and it began to spark. So thus far I have verified all the coils and plug wires are fine all connections are fine and the power pack begins to fire after a good hard tap on the top.<br />So what do you think?<br />Hooked
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

Ok I bought a new power pack and heres my problem now . After checking resistance on the Charging coil and the timer bace accourding to the manual I found all to be ok. I did not have a peak voltage meter to test that part. Now as I said earlier the old power pack was not firing on # 1 and #3 until I poped it on the top with a wrench. Then it would fire for a few minutes. So I put the new pack on checking with plugs out and grounded 1 2 3 are firing fine but 4 is not fireing steady. I can move the coil output wire to #2 and #2 doesent fire steady. HEEEELLLLPPP.<br />Hooked
 

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I assume that when you say "I put the new pack on checking with plugs out and grounded 1 2 3 are firing fine but 4 is not fireing steady", you are checking the spark by having the spark plugs connected, then grounding the side of the spark plug to the powerhead block?<br /><br />If so, that spark check is improper and will not result in true results. The spark must be tested with the spark plugs removed, with a spark tester whereas a spark jumping gap of 7/16" can be set. There's a few home made spark testers listed on this site so you can simply make a search and they should show up.<br /><br />If memory serves me correctly, the timer base assy has two sensors on that model, one firing the starboard bank, the other firing the port bank. Since you do have spark on at least one cylinder of each bank, you can consider the timer base assy to be fine.<br /><br />However, it is quite possible that one of the Pins or Sockets leading from the timer base to the powerpack is dirty, has been pushed back somewhat so that it is not making a good connection, or has a frayed wire at the connection point to the pin or socket or at some portion of the length of wire.<br /><br />Check to see that the timer base moves smoothly from the idle (retarded) position thru to the full spark advance position without sticking.<br /><br />The stator on that model which is the beginning of the charging and ignition system is either a 3amp or 9amp model, and it's unlikely that it would get hot enough to melt down. But, it does happen, especially if the engine has been run with a faulty rectifier. Should a melt down take place, that would result in a AC voltage drop to the powerpack, in turn resulting in erratic and eventually no ignition. A melt down is usually obvious as the stator would have cracks and a sticky substance dripping down on the timer base area and the powerhead.<br /><br />Carburetors..... Did you dismantle them completely, then manually clean all of the jets with a piece of mechanics solid strand wire? If not, do so as just soaking the jets (most of the time) really doesn't get them thoroughly clean. Installing complete new carburetor kits is a must. The float should be set (with the carburetor held upside down) so that the free end of the side view is ever so slightly higher than the hinged end, and level when viewed at the end view.<br /><br />Are you sure you installed all of the jets exactly where they belong?<br /><br />Timing.... unless you know exactly what you're doing, I'd suggest you spurge a few dollors at a dealership and mechanic you trust to have that set exactly where it belongs. A few degrees too far advanced and you'll melt a piston, a few degrees retarded results in a power loss and a condition most technicians refer to as "coking" (coke-ing). Coking causes a vast built of of a waxy looking substance between the piston top and the cylinder head.... vast meaning something like a coffee cup full.<br /><br />The Champion QL77JC4 plugs, according to the manual are to be set to .030, however for many years the factory recommended gap was .040. When all is as it should be, you might want to try both gap settings for comparison.<br /><br />Soooo..... That should keep you busy to at least noon time (grin)
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

Ok Here is where I am now. I made the spark tester with 7/16 gap. With old powerpack installed at first I got only 1 & 2 to spark. Then as I was cranking I tapped the power pack and all 4 begain to spark the 7/16 gap. All pin connections are clean. I did notice when i was checking the resistance across the Stator orange and orange with black I would read the 96 ohms but as I turned the fly wheel it would change to open briefly then the 96 ohms would come back. Is this OK? and could I have messed up my new power pack. How do I check it. Also I cant find any info in my manual about the rectifer. It dosent say any thing about that guy. How do I test it ?
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

OK Here I go agin<br />I gave up and took this thing to a local mechanic.<br />He says the power pack I bought was bad and the timer base is bad. He puts new ones on and when I pick up It runs great comes out of the hole good and idels good. The second time I take it out it takes off fine and then on the way back I try to take off and the exact same problem is back Plugs not firing want plane off Help I done spent a heap of money just to get back where it was before.<br />The only thing that is different about the electrical is after I done the rebuild 2 years ago I found the alarm buzzer bad and put in a regular 12 vdc buzzer and 12 vdc light in dash to indicate alarm condition and it comes on when you short out the test wire as the manual states. Could this be whats killing powerpacks. Help I left this thing with the mechanic to follow up on. What do you guys think?<br />Thanks<br />Hooked
 

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Re: 1990 120 evinrude powerpack

You might need to know that bad coils will continue to kill new powerpacks. <br /><br />The last two entries in the following thread will help: web page Just follow the links.
 
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