1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

ponchoman

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4.3. Runs great with 21p prop. 45 mph @ 4800 . There seems to a lot of hull in the water at full trim. The prop I have has no cup or rake really. I was thinking of the alpha4 20 p . Any suggestions? If I run trim down it really plows.I've been told it looks low in the bow as well. Thanks.
 

SparkieBoat

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

get a set of trim tabs, you will see a big difference.
 

ponchoman

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

Wouldn't trim tabs bring the bow down in general?
 

D0T-C0M

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

I second the installing of trim tabs!!! Read my review here. I had previously been plowing water and now its a dream to drive.
 

Texasmark

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

The trim tab responses, as I see them don't help your problem, they aggravate it. They are attacking a planing problem and you are after a WOT problem.

Actually the responses that I have read on this site from people using their tabs, say that they put them down to get up and once up and heading for WOT suck them up out of the water and that makes sense. At WOT the less boat in the water, the less the drag caused by the water rubbing the hull, and the faster you go for a given set of conditions.

Case in point, set your trim to anywhere you want between full tuck and mid range. Get up on plane at say 30 mph and touch nothing but your trim. Start trimming out and as you trim out your bow will lift, the boat gets more agile, and your speed increases. If you had tabs and they were down they would be fighting your trim out....trying to keep the bow down like you want it when you are coming out of the hole or just loafing around.

They sell lots of props on this site and they have several high performance SS props with cupping, porting, and high rake. High rake is what you are after to lift your bow, cups add approx 2" of pitch especially at the higher rpm's and help to prevent "blow out" in turns and rough water, and porting allows for a better/faster hole show with a prop designed to perform well at WOT. SS blades are thinner and you get more mph just from that. Read the application info associated with each prop.

my 2c,

Mark
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

My initial suggestion for an 1/0 equipped boat that needs bow lift would be a Laser II in a 19 pitch. You said it runs well with the 21. The SS prop will get you a better bite, more speed and most importantly lift the bow up. If you can get the bow up and get the boat up on the water more you'll see a speed increase and an RPM increase so watch it.
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

a 19 pitch prop would put his WOT RPMs at about 5200...which would be over revving for that motor I think. the trim tabs will help get the boat out of the water more even after planing they can hold the stern up a few inches...if your bow is plowing you need to see if your floor/foam is water logged, or for some reason you have a lot of weight up there...get the trim tabs and shift your weight to the back. I have yet to hear someone say they regret getting trim tabs...but I guess it could happen.
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

Texasmark is correct. Trim tabs are absolutely the last thing you want to do for a boat that can't get the bow up...they will worsen the problem.

Ponchoman, what is your definition of "full trim"?

1. Is it the point that your trim stops going up while pushing the "up" switch?
2. Is it the point that your trim gauge indicates at full "up"?
3. Is it the point that your prop starts to blow out of the water and lose bite?

If your answer is 1 or 2, then I would submit you simply have a trim limit switch that needs adjusting, or trim gauge sender that needs adjusting. Both of these are located on opposite sides of your sterndrive, plastic discs, and they can be loosened and adjusted. Procedure is in service manual, and 18 year old Mercruisers like yours are NOTORIOUS for having these units go bad or out of adjustment...they simply rust out. So don't be surprised if they need replacement.

The PROPER definition of "full trim" is #3. But if you have a problem with #1 or #2, you never actually get there. To temporarily over-ride this potential problem for a test-drive, all you need to do is use your "trailer" button to trim up, and ignore the gauge entirely. Just continue trimming up with the trailer button until you get to the point that your prop starts to blow out of the water. Then stop, and go back down a little bit so the prop bites again. This is your best trim position for top speed.

After doing that, is it riding better and higher in the bow? If yes, then your problem is not prop related at all...you just need to make an adjustment to your trim limit switch and/or gauge sender...

If you are already able to trim out to blow-out, and your bow is still low, then again I agree with Texasmark that you just need to shop for a bow lifting prop, and make sure you don't have too much weight up front.
 

D0T-C0M

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

I misread his problem, glad someone else picked it up
 

ponchoman

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

I usually trim up till I hear the drive shaft u joints
start to increase in noise. Most guys in my area only trim up for wot and leave it down otherwise. I always trim mine up unless I'm trolling. I hope water soaked foam is not the issue...I only have my anchor 25 lbs up front. Have checked and tapped the floor all over and it seems solid. I even tapped the stringers in the ski locker.
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

If you are hearing your drive-shaft u-joints before you are getting the prop to think about blowing out of the water at full speed, then it sounds like you may have a problem with your u-joints, gimbal bearing, or engine alignment...when were these items last serviced/inspected/replaced? Your 1993 boat was built back when u-joints had grease zerks on them, and the only way to access these two zerks is to remove the outdrive from the boat. Mercruiser states that this U-joint lubrication is required annually...and there are an awful lot of boats out there that have NEVER seen a grease gun in this particular location becuase it is difficult to access. These boats usually have noisy U-joints. Mercruiser also requires hand-checking the gimbal bearing for excess play, and then checking engine alignment while you have the drive removed....again annually.

If most guys in your area are just leaving trim down for everything except full speed, then most guys in your area are using their trim wrong....or more likely they don't all own 1993 SSV 175's. On most boats, trim should be used at ALL speeds...it is to be used actively to simply dial in the best handling and most efficient position for every individual speed. For example if you like to "cruise" at 3,200 rpms, then you should actively use your trim to find the boat's maximum speed for 3,200 rpm....this is the most efficient position for the trim at 3,200. And when you choose to run 2,500, or 3,800 rpm, you will need yet a different trim position for each of these. It's a "feel" thing.

You made a comment that when you "run trim down it really plows." My suggestion for this fix is simply to never run with the trim down....because this position makes your boat plow. And I'm seriously NOT trying to be a smart aXX. Each boat is set up and designed different from another, and therefore trim needs to be utilized however it works best for each individual boat. My old 1992 Rinker could NEVER run with trim down at planing speed...it handled like crap if I did that and pretty much did what you are describing. But after trimming it up, even at speeds as low as 18 to 20 mph, it handled real nice. My current 1999 Stingray REQUIRES running with trim full down up to about 25 or 30 mph...and only then I can start trimming out very gradually as speeds approach 60 mph. If I trim out too early with that boat causes severe porpoising....but my Rinker would NEVER propoise at any speed or trim setting. My only point in making this comparison is to illustrate how each of these boats requires DRASTICALLY different treatment of the trim button, even though neither boat had a "problem" that needed correcting. Just a driver adjustment.

Not saying that your boat doesn't have a problem....it might...I'm just saying that it MIGHT not have a problem and I'd hate to see you spending money unnecessarily on a new prop that doesn't change a darn thing about the design of your hull and trim system. You might actually be able to correct this problem entirely by spending zero dollars and just rethinking the way you use your trim. And I could also be wrong....I've never ridden with you to know your driving habits or how your boat handles.

I find it extremely unlikely that you have ANY extra weight in the bow from water weight. Water always flows down hill, which means it flows directly to the stern when it enters the boat. Unless your boat was parked with the stern ABOVE the bow for a decade or better, and left to flood, this is not your issue either...nor is a single 25 pound anchor. Look elsewhere to solve your problem.
 

ponchoman

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

I just did the gimbal and the alignment was checked- a ok. The u joints were free with no play, they were sealed no zerks. Money on a better prop is fine with me so I can have a spare. These Glastrons are wide and heavy, so maybe that is just the design. Hmmmmm. Porpoising is never a factor with this boat lol. Even when I'm trimmed up I come out of the hole strong, planning under 5 seconds . I'm going to play more with trim this weekend. It's strange since my boat floats high on the water and looks like all the other boats, it doesn't sit low at all. When anchored the bow is right up. I really appreciate all the great advice!
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

I believe the Alpha 4 is more of a stern lifting prop than a bow lifting prop. The biggest feature of Alpha 4 is increasing holeshot...which you say you don't need to do. It improves planing speed by lifting the stern higher on take-off...which settles the bow down. Which you also don't want or need to do....

The Vensura is Mercury's biggest bow lifter, if you want a 4 blade. Get ready to choke on the price. Laser II 3 blade, Tempest 3 blade, and the High Five are also marketed as bow lifting props.

Michigan Wheel's Ballistic line is also known for bow lift.

I think stainless will be your only alternative. I don't think there are very many 4-bladed aluminum props that have the geometry for adding bow lift...your problem is quite unique for a sterndrive, and there is little market for such a product. But maybe someone here knows of one that I am not aware of. Almost everyone seeks more stern lift on a sterndrive because the powerplants are so dang heavy, very few ask for more bow lift. So if you really want a bow lifting prop, you need to look at props designed more for offshore/outboard/racing applications than what most sterndrive owners would normally shop for....
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

Michigan Wheel's Ballistic line is also known for bow lift.

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I run a Ballistic 24XP and get great bow lift, but I AM in a different boat, but still, it's a great prop for my application.

Mark
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

I honestly think its just the nature of these boats. Mine also planes almost instantly
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

Can you take a pic of the hull...I believe it has some pretty strong outside chines on it.....which makes for good stability but a rough ride in a 17...Stiletto props are very strong lifting props and yes again a 4 blade wil give you the best resullts..Its not bow lift your looking for but overall lift tilting the stern on its stern and bounce bounce bounce over the water you go.....Hmmm
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

Sparkie, i think his comment about his current prop has an impact on his WOT. He said he has no cup or rake. Most I/O props have 0 rake. I think with the added bite of an SS prop, the higher rake of the Laser and the cup on the blades he would be in the same RPM range as he is now. Granted, testing will be needed to determine exactly what he needs but that would be a good start.
Poncho- you said something that makes me curious. You said even when you are trimmed up it comes out of the hole well. I don't know why you would be trimmed up when taking off but whatever. if it sits bow high at rest and when anchored SOMETHING is pushing the bow down. I'd have to say prop or trim position.
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

you may be %100 correct with that ufm. I would think that by lifting the stern with trim tabs and then trimming the outdrive up it would raise the bow. I could be way off though..I am not so experienced with I/Os..I basically avoid them like the plague..I am strictly an outboard man. in his original post he seemed to indicate he had a "lot of hull in the water". I know that trim tabs are good for getting the hull up some, though they can push the bow down, I think that in this case it would actually lift the bow with the stern..but again I could be way off. I would be very interested to know what the results would be. maybe we can find someone with this exact same boat that has tried trim tabs.
 

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

I'm seriously considering the laser. The odd time when tubing if I leave it trimmed up she comes out pretty fast. Not as fast as if I trimmed down obviously.
 

singlesupra

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Re: 1993 Glastron SSV 175 prop for raising bow.

Same with me. Trimmed up hardly affects takeoff. Have you noticed any speed diff when adjusting trim, mine makes no difference. I use my trim to queiten the ride. Not for speed. Mine is a 21.5' so ours may be a lot diff. Solas tech said some boats acts like this and trim doesn't affect speed.
Fwiw, my boat is SMOOTH even in rougher water
 
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