1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

jeffj254

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I just recently repowered an old glasply with a 93 johnson 140. The motor runs great at speed and has good power. It's fairly low hours and still has good compression and all, but in the last couple weeks since I got it, it has started to misfire badly at idle, to the point where it basically won't run when it's warmed up.

When cold it will hold an idle alright, it won't stall out or anything, but it sneezes a bit. Once the motor warms up it starts sneezing badly at low throttle/idle and will stall repeatedly. I believe it's only the #4 cylinder (bottom port side) that is having problems as the other 3 plugs look identical, and very good (light brown) whereas the #4 plug is fouling, which seems odd to me as sneezing usually means that it's running too lean.

Basically I'm really confused about where to look. Here's what I've tried so far:

1. Replaced plugs and plug wires
2. Replaced port side recirc valves (the originals passed the "blow" test, but the one from cyl #4 was carboned up)
3. Sprayed carb cleaner through all orifices and jets


Here's the things I'm thinking it could be:

Starboard side recircs are plugged

Port side T shaped check valve is plugged

VRO pump is either leaking fuel into #4 or air (???)


Am I thinking along the right lines? Is there anything else it might be? Does this sound like as weird of a problem to anyone else? I can't understand how I'm fouling a plug and sneezing at the same time.


On a probably unrelated note the motor has this very strange wuffle sound when throttling back from high speed, the faster I pull the throttle back the more severe the noise. I'm guessing this is just air moving through the air silencer, but I'm paying attention to anything that sounds weird to me so I figured I'd mention it.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

have you tried pulling the plug wires off, one at a time to see if there is any change in the idle. are you sure # 4 is firing all the time. could be coil heating up, and failing. bent or damaged reed valve to # 4. just a thought.
 

XcellR8

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

I have a 94 Johnson 140 and it is doing the same thing. It seems to sneeze the most when you return to an idle after a good ride. As soon as you put it in gear and give it any amount of gas it goes away.
 

jeffj254

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

I spent a bunch of time working on it today, here's what I've done:

First off I verified that cyl #4 is causing all the problems. With the #4 coilpack unplugged the motor idles on 3 cylinders OK and doesn't sneeze at all.

I replaced the coilpack on #4 with a spare I had, no change in performance

Checked both thermostats, both close up when cold and open when in a hot pan of water

soaked the recirc valve for #1 in carb cleaner, I can suck air through it OK.

Tested recirc valve for #3, I can suck air through it, can't reach it to pull it out though.

Tested T shaped check valve, I can suck air through it, but cannot blow air through it. Can't reach it to pull it out.

Checked timing, still reads about 8ATDC

Checked VRO pump air line, there was a bit of moisture on the pump fitting, but nothing dripped out when I took the line off. It appears to be completely dry.

Bumping the choke gets the sneeze to go away, but of course makes the motor to run poorly for a second.

Like the person above me said, it seems to be worse after the motor is run hard.




I'm still pretty stumped on this. I'm to the point where I'm thinking about just rebuilding all the carbs, even though they look spotless. Could bad gas cause something like this? I would think bad gas would make all of the cylinders run poorly.
 

Walker

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

The recirculation valves only allow flow one way if operation properly. You need to check all of them.
 

jeffj254

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

The recircs on #2 and #4 are brand new and should be functioning perfectly. #1 and #3 have been checked and are fine. The T shaped check valve on the port side I've checked the outlet to and it only goes 1 way. Can't check the other two sides as they're buried under the carbs.

Does this sound like a recirc issue?
 

jeffj254

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

well hell, I replaced the valve for that cylinder with a brand new one, it should be fine. Can the T shaped fitting cause problems in only one cylinder?
 

jeffj254

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

Man I just love this stupid engine, the tank was empty today so I filled up with fresh gas and took it for a test run, no problems at all. Ran just like an outboard should. So maybe I just needed to run it a bit so it would clear all of the crap out of the recirc system.

Now I have another problem though. I stupidly poured a bottle of heet(yellow bottle) into the gas tank as I thought I may have gotten a bunch of water splashed into the tank. I didn't even think about it until I read the back of the bottle and saw it's not supposed to be used in 2 strokes. Do I have anything to worry about? Will I be OK to just run all the gas out of it in the next couple of days?
 

xtreme marine

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Re: 1993 Johnson 140 missing at idle

check ur vapor seporator seals; ethonal fuel has been a serious issue on these systems n seals . n also possible ur primar solinoid
 
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