1995 OMC 5.0L water in bilge

ggundersen3

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Ive got a '95 Four Winns Horizon 190 with a 5.0L OMC and SX Cobra Volvo Penta drive. I'm noticing water collecting in the bilge after running for about 90 minutes on the lake at various speeds. Previous IOs(mercruiser alpha one) I've had in the past this turned out to be bad bellows. I'd say I had about one+ gallon drain out when I pulled the drain plug out at the launch ramp tonight. Is it all normal to get some water in bilge on this motor/drive? Or should I start checking hoses, gaskets. bellows etc?
 

Lou C

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not normal unless it rained a lot and the cover leaks like they all do.
When was the last time the drive was off and the bellows was checked for water?
 

ggundersen3

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not normal unless it rained a lot and the cover leaks like they all do.
When was the last time the drive was off and the bellows was checked for water?
They have not been checked in my ownership of one year. That's what I suspect is bellows are failed. I'll arrange to get them checked. Or is there a way I can do some diagnoses like open engine compartment on the water with engine off and watch for water trickling in?
 

Scott Danforth

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it is not normal, water should not be in the bilge

usual culprits for water in the bilge:

leaking bellows
hole in exhaust y-pipe
burned exhaust rubber boots
rotten transom
cracked block/manifolds
damaged core plug
leaking water pump
leaking rubber hose from the cooling system

back the boat and trailer into the water, get in the bilge and look. you may need a flashlight, mirror, your cell phone camera, etc. you may need the motor running

do not fill your bilge up with water trying to find the leak
 

ggundersen3

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it is not normal, water should not be in the bilge

usual culprits for water in the bilge:

leaking bellows
hole in exhaust y-pipe
burned exhaust rubber boots
rotten transom
cracked block/manifolds
damaged core plug
leaking water pump
leaking rubber hose from the cooling system

back the boat and trailer into the water, get in the bilge and look. you may need a flashlight, mirror, your cell phone camera, etc. you may need the motor running

do not fill your bilge up with water trying to find the leak
Thanks Scott. I'll be checking it out ASAP
 

Lou C

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Are you hearing any noise from behind the engine, like a growling, or knocking when you turn or tilt the drive up? That's a sign of a leaky driveshaft bellows and corrosion damaged gimble bearing and u joints. As normal maintenance you should:
have the drive pulled at the end of each season
inspect the driveshaft bellows for cracks, water inside, milky grease, all those suggest that the bellows leaked and has to be replaced as do the gimble bearing and u joints.
if the bellows is dry inside, check for cracks, check for smooth operation of the gimble bearing and u joints, grease them if grease-able, lube the driveshaft splines with OMC/Evinrude triple guard grease when installing.
Just doing this, with outdrive oil changes, will extend the life of your drivetrain components greatly.
I have had the Cobra/SX style bellows last as long as 10 years if you store the boat with the drive down. If you have to store it with the drive tilted up, regularly check for cracks and replace as soon as small cracks appear, that's a sign that its time.
The other causes, cooling hoses, etc are things you should check at the start of each season.
Eventually corrosion starts at the point where the exhaust Y pipe is bolted to the transom mount, this will cause a leak at the very bottom of the inner transom area and repairing this requires pulling the drive and engine.
The worst kind of leak is caused by a rotted transom which is starting to flex and then the transom seal no long can seal out water. This means the boat needs major structural work and everything (drive, engine, inner and outer transom mounts) has to come out and the transom replaced.
The fact is that I/Os have many places that they can leak water in, this is why after having one a long time many people switch to outboards to get away from these headaches.
 

Sparkinator

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I’ve got the same boat, engine, and drive. It is a well put together boat. Big wide stringers that are foam filled and thick fiberglass. The floors and transom are the only wooden parts of the boat. If your transom is bad, you can feel the hole (key hole) that is cut the transom if you get back in the motor bay. Lay down on the side of the boat opposite the water pump and alternator side. Reach under the oil pan at the transom and see if it feels mushy. You can reach the hole (key hole) that is cut in the transom for the drive to fit through. Hopefully it’s still firm and dry.
 
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