1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

[tezzietron]

Model is E175EXEOM<br /><br />OK - had been troubleshooting loss of power at anything higher than idle, and a fuel leak to boot. Would idle in gear fine. Would throttle up to speed for 10-15 seconds, then die, fouling the plugs. Once they were dried, it would start back up again.<br /><br />Fuel leak was due to the choke solenoid allowing gas to continue to flow to the port side cylinders. Got that fixed - thougt that's what was fouling plugs, but it doesn't appear relevant to the current issue. <br /><br />Now I've got no power to the plugs at all when cranking. Starting to suspect power pack was going and is now gone.<br /><br />Is there an ohmeter test I can do to the power pack ? PN is 0585219 on BRP. Has one red (always hot), two yellow leads that go to the stator, one grey and and one purple with bullet plugs, and ground. Purple appears to be ign. (12 volts on the harness side when key is on) <br /><br />Realize this is a manual question, but it's 90 miles away.....!!! Appreciate any feedback.....<br /><br />Tezz

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Tezz<br />Steps one and two are the kill circuit/ignition check and the fuse check.<br />Make sure the lanyard is firmly attached to the kill switch. If so, diconnect the large red (or black?) cannon harness plug and jump the starter solenoid and check for spark. The main fuse is on the port side aft of the starter.<br />If none of these work, the powerpack test requires a peak-reading voltmeter capable of up to 500 V.<br />Let us know what happens and we'll go from there.<br />Good luck

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Angus<br /><br />Thankss for the quick response...<br /><br />No lanyard on this boat. Have checked the fuse with an ohmeter - good.<br /><br />Jumped the starter with the harness (red) disconnected. No spark.<br /><br />I've got a high grade digital Fluke multimeter with peak recording....<br /><br />Tez

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

OK<br />Set Meter to "POS and 500 scale<br />Remove ignition cover<br />Remove all primary input leads from powerpack to coil packs<br />Connect red meter lead to primary lead for cyl 1 <br />Connect black lead to GOOD engine ground and crank.<br />Should read minimum 100v<br />Repeat for all six cyls<br /><br />These powerpacks are split internally for odd and even cyls, and I had one side only go out on my 1995 175 oceanpro.<br /><br />Good luck

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

OK - did a quick check - no volts on any lead. Need to head out - will check more thoroughly when I get back. <br /><br />Noticed one thing I didnt expect to see - when I put the ohmeter across the choke solenoid it reads a dead short - this is connected to the power pack (via the purple wire) - should the coil read 0 ohms ?

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Coil has little resistance. Between purple/white and black leads, you should have 5.5 ohms +/- 1.5 ohms. Meter must be on low ohm setting to register. BTW, seems like appx 10 yrs is the useful life of these model powerpacks. Optical sensor and pack run about $350 or so. Good luck!

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Thanks Angus<br /><br />Guess this is one that duct tape can't fix !!!!!<br /><br />Will post to let you know how it goes.

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Angus<br /><br />Being challenged with coming up with a good P/N for the pack. Old one has P/N 584093 stenciled on it. BRP calls for P/N 0585219, which according to two separate OEM dealers here is now P/N 439561. Problem is that this "new" P/N does not have a purple lead, just the two yellows, a red, and ground. Does this sound right ? No instructions on hook-up according to the one store that had it in stock - <br /><br />Also - couldn't see the optical sensor in the parts detail - is that part of the stator ? Is there a way to test that ?<br /><br />At least the boat's looks good sitting dockside ...LOL

 

[Captain Jeff]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

The optical sensor is in the throttle linkage diagram. You can check if oil or dirt is on the lens of the sensor, may be a way to test resistance or something, not sure. Maybe someone else knows.

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

powerpack listed as p/n 0584985<br />May come with sensor (ask and check at counter).<br />If not, recommend changing at the same time.<br />Not aware of wiring changes.<br />Will have a look at the book when I get home.

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Optical sensor p/n 0584914

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Thanks Angus, Fishonceo<br /><br />Embarrassed to say the p/n I gave you was the rectifier, not the powerpack.<br /><br />Anyway, I'll get a new one - I broke the timing wheel trying to get it off to get to the sensor, (I probably didn't need to muck with it did I ?)<br /><br />Oh well, that's what I get for leaving the manual at camp (someone elses to boot grrr - get it back on Thursday though).<br /><br />Thanks for you help, will let you know how it goes.

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Angus <br /><br />Poking around on the net for pricing - if I can't get the parts tommorrow locally I plan to order from the net.<br /><br />Found a site ( www.outboardparts.com) with a tech note for the power pack (0584985) that says the following:<br /><br />"When changing the optical power pack on a black sleeve stator, the stator must be changed to a gray sleeved stator. The black sleeved sensor will not work on a blue, gray, or red sleeved pack. If the sensor needs to be replaced use P/N 133-6343 (their number, crosses to OEM 584919) "<br /><br />Just wonder how you tell what you have - is it referring to the connector/wiring sleeve color ?

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

I believe they are refering to the wiring cover (sleeve). The latest model on BRP website is the gray sleeve edition (0584985). Not sure what is available or what is compatable with what!!! Maybe a call to BRP tech will help. Hopefully Mr. Dhadley will chime in with some wisdom.<br />Good luck

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Angus, et al - found a decent (I think) link for troubleshooting OMC optical ignition systems - http://www.maxrules.com/fixomcoisignition.html# <br />I'm not sure if the troubleshooting section refers to the aftermarket CDI power pack and sensor or if it applies to OEM, but one thing that caught my attention is that it's saying that while cranking there should be 11+ DC volts between ground and the yellow/red ignition wire on the starter solenoid. This wire also feeds the power pack.<br /><br />While cranking I only read 9.2 volts from yellow/red to ground. Also while cranking I measured a little over 12 volts from the positive battery terminal on the solenoid to ground. So I'm losing over 3 volts across the solenoid. <br /><br />I obtained the same results when I disconnected the yellow/red wire and jumpered the starter.<br /><br />Anyway, before purchase a new powerpack I thought I'd see what your thoughts were on this - the starter/solenoid have been exercised quite a bit over the last few weeks while troubleshooting the fuel issues. A 3 volt drop across the solenoid while cranking seems a bit high to me....<br />Tez

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Normal to see a voltage drop while cranking. I would check for stator supplying powerpack with proper voltage. If so and still no output from pack, safe to say pack is kaput.Output should be 150V or higher on peak reading meter set to "POS".<br />Meter black to stator brown and red to stator brown/yellow. Then meter black to stator brown/black and red to stator brown/white. If that is good, pack is bad. If that is not good, probably a stator chrge coil meltdown.<br />Good luck

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Like the link too!!!!!! Rethinking the solenoid supply to powerpack voltage. May be indicating a bad pack as well. Let me know what you find.<br />Good luck

 

[angus63]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

tezz
bumpin' this up to see if you made any progress
Only took three beers time to find the dang post!!
This format tastes like "NEW COKE" to me!!!!

 

[tezzietron]

Re: 1995 Rude Ocean Pro - no fire

Angus -

Well...have gone from one problem to the next. I replaced the power pack and sensor on Fri - started right up. Unfortunately, less than an hour later I had a big bang go in the lower unit.

Sheared the bushing collar of the lower drive shaft, wasted the shims, bearing housing and thrust washer. I grabbed them out of another lower unit, just wondering if I can just slap them in, or whether I need to go through the shimming procedure - I'm using the old pinion gear, the one from the lower unit I grabbed the other parts from was wasted.

Aaaargh - time for a brew !!!!!!!