2 Speakers one Deck

datoshway

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I just installed a stereo in our small boat. But I only have two speakers. Should I daisy wire the rears with the fronts, or should I just leave the rears wires tapped up?
 

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Re: 2 Speakers one Deck

You cannot combine channels or you'll blow the amp in the deck. Hook one speaker to the front left wires and another to the front right. Tape the rear wires up for use later or not at all.
 

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You have to make sure your impedance is correct or you will blow the deck. Is the deck 2 channel or 4? You can blow out a deck also by only running 2 channels and leaving the other two without pushing a load.
 

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Recommend using either just the front or just the back. Then set the fade on the deck all the way to those speakers (front) to only power the wired speaker outputs.
 

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You have to make sure your impedance is correct or you will blow the deck. Is the deck 2 channel or 4? You can blow out a deck also by only running 2 channels and leaving the other two without pushing a load.

That's entirely untrue.
 

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That's entirely untrue.

And howso? If you run a deck that is pumping out 4 channels, and only use 2 without setting up the deck properly you will have issues. And if the impedance calls 4 ohms and you run 8 ohm speakers you will have a problem. Running two 8 ohm speakers in series when an 8 ohm load is required is asking for issues. I installed decks at circuit city for over 4 years, so I think I know what I am talking about....:facepalm: So to the O.P., daisy wiring speakers is not what you want to do, unless you are accounting for the proper impedance.
 

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Again.. you're wrong. The deck couldn't care less how many channels you're using as long as you aren't exceeding a 4 ohm load per channel or trying to connect multiple channels together and shorting out the amp. Simply not using a channel is just that.. not using available power. The deck doesn't care one way or another.

All aftermarket stereos that I've ever seen have a max 4 ohm per channel internal amp. If you were to put an 8 ohm speaker on it, all it would do is not play as loud.. you're not harming a thing. Having too much impedance is not a problem.. it's having too low of one that's an issue.

If you want to pull the experience card, I've been professionally installing stereos in car and boat for 20+ years now.. so yes.. I know what I'm talking about.


(maybe this is one of the reasons why Circuit City went out of business.. :p)
 

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Yeah real funny. It is important to match impedance. Sending 4 ohms to an 8 ohm load is NOT acceptable.
 

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How are you planning on "sending 4 ohms"?

You're digging deeper.. ;)


Do you know what an "ohm" is? "Impedance"? Why it's important and what it all means when you're dealing with audio equipment?


An amplifier is made to only handle a certain amount of flow out of it. If you try and suck too much out of it by lowering the impedance past it's limit, then you will hurt things. Some amps are built to handle more, some less. Class D amps for example can handle down to 1 ohm per channel, and some competition amps down to 1/2 ohm. Most amps these days are made to handle down to 2 ohms and all internal stereo head unit amps (that I've ever seen) have a 4 ohm limit. This is the MAX that you can "suck" out of them. You can suck less.. it doesn't care what you do.. as long as you don't exceed it.

What you have hooked up to that amp in the form of a speaker.. that is what controls how much you draw out of the amp. Speakers are kind of like light bulbs in that they use up what is given to them and some are made to draw more power than others.. kind of like a 60w bulb compared to a 120w bulb. If there's no speaker hooked up.. the amp simply is making the power available but nothing is drawing it out. Just as if you don't have a lightbulb screwed into the base. If you flip the switch to turn it on.. you aren't using any electricity because there's no bulb in the socket. It's available to use, but there's nothing consuming it. The outlet doesn't care one way or the other though. Same thing with an amp.

This is why you can't "send 4 ohms". You can't "send" ohms. Ohms are a measure of resistance.. not of power. In this case, the resistance level of the speaker connected.. the ohm rating.. is what is throttling the amount of power that it's consuming from the amp.

The only thing that amps really "care" about is that you don't try and draw too much power through them via lowering the impedance via speakers or too many speakers hooked up per channel. It doesn't care if you aren't drawing power to it's full capacity.. say by hooking up an 8 ohm speaker.. as all you're doing is throttling the consumption via a higher impedance. In other words.. all you're doing is not drawing the power that you are able to. The amp doesn't care though.. it's fine by it if you don't use all it's power.. as long as you don't exceed it.

Same thing with not using a channel. It doesn't care one way or the other. The power is there if you want it.. but if you don't take it.. it's fine by it. Same thing with using a higher impedance speaker than the amp is rated for. The power is there if you want it, but if you don't take it.. it's fine by it.
 

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And yea I guess you "could" wire up an 8ohm speaker to a 4ohm output, but why wouldnt you just hook up two 8 ohm speakers in a parallel? That is all that I am saying to the O.P. Check your impedance so that you get the most power out of the amp, and do not harm the amplifier or the speakers. And I was unaware that "not using" channels in the amp was okay. I always thought that if you have a 4 channel amp and only use two, you just had to make sure you were dumping a load on 2 channels and not 4. I know that with my tube amps, when checking a circuit and turning the amp on, you MUST always use a dummy load or you will blow the amp. The amp must be supplying the load to resistance or you have issues. Not sure about SS, but I thought the same rules applied.
 

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I know that with my tube amps, when checking a circuit and turning the amp on, you MUST always use a dummy load or you will blow the amp.

AH HA.. yes. This is true with old tube amps.. but it's been a long, LONG time since those were in use.. and I don't know if in car audio they ever were..
 

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Well let me ask you this. If I have a 4 channel deck/amp, and have NO load connected, and I turn the deck on with the volume all the way up, how long would it last?
 

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And I answered my own question. Sorry to have to admit that you are right, you do not need a load AT ALL on a SS amplifier. Damnit, this is what happens when you build tube amplifiers for guitar and install SS amps. It all kind of bleeds together.......
 

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And I answered my own question. Sorry to have to admit that you are right, you do not need a load AT ALL on a SS amplifier. Damnit, this is what happens when you build tube amplifiers for guitar and install SS amps. It all kind of bleeds together.......

No worries :)

Yeah.. with the advent of MOSFETs, you no longer need dummy loads. MOSFETs will automatically put out what they're supposed to. We use them all the time when making LED digital lighting circuits as you're able to dynamically increase or decrease the load without having to change anything.
 

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No worries :)

Yeah.. with the advent of MOSFETs, you no longer need dummy loads. MOSFETs will automatically put out what they're supposed to. We use them all the time when making LED digital lighting circuits as you're able to dynamically increase or decrease the load without having to change anything.

Thats pretty badazz.
 
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