2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

[RCSConstruction]

I am in the process of getting an engine and need some help on finding parts.
The boat has a cracked block, if you were wondering.
The boat is a 2000 wellcraft 186ss.
Where do I find a manual for this boat? If not the boat, what is a good manual for the volvo penta I/O?
My out drive says it's an SX. have no clue what that means.
Is there something I can get that will familiarize myself with how the engine and drive are connected?
I also need idea's on parts. I just looked on ebay and they do not have a gasket kit specifically for my motor. I probably need special intake/exhaust gaskets?
What is your guy's favorite sealant? I used ultrablue& ultracopper by permatex for all my other automotive years. I imagine you fellas have some secret stuff I don't know about.
Also, Where is the cheapest place to buy parts? My local dealer? Is there a volvo penta online shop?
So to re-cap.
I need to know what manual to get.
Where to get parts.
Also, what would you guys do while the engine is out? New u-joints? Any kind of drive service that requires the engine to be taken out I would like to do now.
Shift cable?
I really need to familiarize myself with the parts and where to get them and how to tell exactly what I need.
Right now it's a chevy motor bolted to some kind of outdrive. (in my newbie eyes)
A picture speaks a thousand words....
I have no issues putting the motor together but have no clue what brand parts to use. Is there an after market gasket company, say like, fel-pro that make gaskets,seals,etccc.. or is it all genuine Volvo penta parts?
Wheww. Sorry about the very unorganized questions.
Thank you for any and all advice.

 

[Don S]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

I can give you all kind of information, but the first thing I need to know is what engine model or serial number you actually have now. Just because you have a 2000 boat, means nothing.
Here is a start for your engine ID, we will go from there.

Volvo Engine ID

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Hey Don!
Thanks for showing up and offering a hand.
I pulled some numbers off a plastic case that seems to have some kind of circuit breaker?? says 50 amp. It's in front of the left side manifold/riser. It matched the aluminum tag on the right rear of motor.
These are the numbers.
5.0GL Pefs
4012002187
3869056

Need anything more just holler.
Thanks again

 

[Don S]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

OK, you have an EF model (See your 5.0GL Pefs) I'll get you the manual numbers and possibly some other info shortly.

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Much apreciated Don!
EF means what?

edit-- I see it means 1999-2000. thanks!
I also see that GL means GM limited. What makes it limited? How are they limiting aspiration?

 

[Reel Poor]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

This info also changes the info you got on swapping to a 5.7 liter. The GL you have is carburated and not fuel injected. Therefore there is no ECU to replace. You just saved a grand.

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

This info also changes the info you got on swapping to a 5.7 liter. The GL you have is carburated and not fuel injected. Therefore there is no ECU to replace. You just saved a grand.

hahaha, yes Reel Poor, I was flipping out on the grand and already scrap'd the idea. The owner tells me that the bow of the boat points straight up on a fast launch and didn't think the 5.7 would be wise so I am just going to keep it simple and stock.
Unless you can change my mind....

 

[180shabah]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

If you don't have to deal with the EFI setup, then there is no reason not to do a 5.7. They are built using the same block so there is nothing to change except carb tuning(perhaps) and prop because of the higher power.

The bow coming up is normal, but a set of trim tabs will make a huge difference.

 

[Don S]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

You will find all the info on carb differences, timing, all the little stuff in the manuals. The upgrade to a 5.7 (in looks alone) effects only the decals.

The manuals you need for the 5.0 and/or the 5.7 will be.
Workshop manual Engine --------------------- 7797353
Workshop manual Electrical, Ignition, Fuel ------ 7743244
Supplement, wiring diagrams ------------------ 7743245
SX outdrive -----------------------------------3850075

Also, you can go to this link.
http://www.volvo.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marineengines/operators_manual/operators_manual.htm

Locate your engine model number and download an owners manual. It's the same manual for a 5.0 or 5.7

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Excellent Don!
I may disappear now for a few days.lolol I can't wait to get to reading it.
I know for a fact I will want the hard copies. Where should I buy the OEM manuals?
Also, once I find the parts I need, where to go? I have sucker written all over my face and don't know any dealers. I saw an ad for a tuneup on the engine..475.00... HAAAAA!!!! Not for this boater. I understand people need others to work on their stuff but I don't.
I want a cheap part source.
Thanks again

 

[Don S]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

I saw an ad for a tuneup on the engine..475.00... HAAAAA!!!! Not for this boater. I understand people need others to work on their stuff but I don't.

Watch out now. I work for one of those places that charge more than 475 for a tuneup. But I also know exactly what I am doing and why and when I am done with your boat it's ready.
I'm not the one running around looking for manuals or anything else that might give me a clue as to what is going on.
But I do give you the info for free.............

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

I may not know squat about boats but I know how to tune up a motor. That's all I meant Don.
Thanks for your help.

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Where should I buy the OEM manuals?
Also, once I find the parts I need, where to go?
I want a cheap part source.
Thanks again

Anybody have a link to a reputable dealer/online store to get parts..?

 

[Don S]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Don't panic, just giving you s--t

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions


Being a contractor for 10+ years I can relate to your feelings on service,prices, and customer complaints........
I appreciate all your help. I learn fast, so I will only be in your hair for a little while.
Thanks again

P.S.
You don't happen to have a online store your business uses that you would recommend for buying parts would you? I just priced head gaskets and they wanted 269.
Would you trust a standard head gasket (truck motor) in a boat that will see saltwater?

 

[Don S]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

We get parts directly from Volvo at dealer prices. I don't have to search for best deals.

Would you trust a standard head gasket (truck motor) in a boat that will see saltwater?

Absolutely not, unless you have a fresh water cooling system with a heat exchanger so you can run antifreeze in the engine.
If not, your engine will last about.......... ohhhhh, 3 days. Maybe.
And there is a lot more to it than just head gaskets.

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Hmmm...... So in your opinion there is a huge difference in the motor's?
I found this thread and thought I was good to go, besides brass plugs.





Quote:
The head gasket in a marine kit is designed for saltwater use where the automotive counter part will likely be eaten through in a year.

Well,..... Not Quite..... The Standard Composite Headgaskets o today All have SSteel Fire-rings,.....
No Differences here.....


Quote:
The bearings are industrial grade,

Nope,.......... Same Parts.......

Quote:
The oil pump is high output.

Nope,....... Standard Production Marine motors use the Standard Production Chevy Oil Pumps........

Quote:
The valves are stainless steel as in a car they are of lesser quality steel. The valve springs are stiffer for the higher rpm the engine turns.

Again,...... Nope,..... Standard Production Stuff here too.......

Quote:
The GM marine engines are made by GM, but are not the same as what is put in a car.

This I Agree with,..........
'cause Merc.,+ Most of the other Marinizers are using Standard Production Truck motors, as the basis for their Standard Production Marine motors...........

Most of the Part #s are interchangable as well...............

 

[Bondo]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Ayuh,......

And I stand by My statements Quoted,.........

 

[Don S]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Would you trust a standard head gasket (truck motor) in a boat that will see saltwater?

That is the quesion I answered.
Personally I wouldn't trust a USED truck engine to have a composite head gasket. So that is part of my no answer.
The core plugs also weren't asked about. (You do know about the ones on the front and back of the engine don't you)?
Neiter was the automotive circ pump. IT would never last, steel insides back cover and seal. another part of my no comment.

Now if you get a brand new truck engine, I would suggest you leave it as is, only install a closed cooling system since you ARE going to be using it in salt water.

 

[RCSConstruction]

Re: 2000 Volvo Penta 5.0 replacement questions

Some pics of the cracked block as promised.
How do the risers and manifolds look? I see no cracks and there is minimal wear. Should I get them hot tanked and repaint them or would you guys just make sure the surfaces are not warped and bolt them back on?
I found the motor manual but can't find electrical and outdrive ones. I have the intake off, all accessories,exhaust, and wire loom tucked back but for the life of me can't see how the motor is attached to the outdrive. I see four motor mounts and the bellhousing but can't get a good look back in there. If I pull the four motor mounts will the motor slide out? Will my engine manual show me what to disconnect to get the motor out?
Would it be easier to just pull the outdrive out and take it in for service or is it better to bring it in as a whole boat?
thanks everyone!