2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

pilot4net

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Hello all. I own a 2005 Xpress H56 (18'3" aluminum mod-v hull bass boat) with an F115 on the back and it is deceiving me and my dealer. I had the dealer ship the entire boat back up to Hot Springs, AR so they could address a porpoising issue and a low engine rpm at WOT with their recommended prop. On my test runs, there were two people in the boat with a combined weight of about 400 pounds (passengers' weight), an empty live well, 1/4 tank of gas, and no fishing gear. I would get at the very best 43 mph on the gps and 5600 rpms on tach in the dash. Dealer said boat should be reaching close to 6000 rpms and was necessary for engine life. The problem getting the higher rpms was that if I trimmed the motor up any more to get more of the boat out of the water, the speed would increase as well as rpms but the porpoising immediately started so I had to trim back down. <br /><br />Ok, they get the boat and make a test run with the same amount of gas in the tank, about 10-12 more pounds of passenger weight (they both sat in the same place as on my runs), and also no fishing gear in the boat. Manufacturer says he doesn't see anything wrong with the way the boat runs. He says he was getting 50+ mph on the gps and 6000 rpms easily on the tach and sometime able to go over the 6000 mark if pushed; all of this without the porpoising starting. He said he could trim the motor up all the way to just below the limit switch before the boat started bouncing. I can never get that much upward trim on the motor. <br /><br />I called them and asked them what they did and they said they did not touch a thing and that they just don't believe that I was getting the poor numbers that I was telling them. I told them why in the heck would I be going back and forth to the dealer over the last three months for this same problem and then eventually send the boat back for no d*** reason leaving me without my rig for a whole month. They replied that they did not know but that they had found no reason why I couldn't get the same results that they had gotten since all the variables were the same. I suggested that maybe the higher altitude and lower humidity maybe could have contributed to a better running environment for the motor to put out a little more power. They said they had never heard of such a thing and that the concept was not feasible and wouldn't make that much of a difference.<br /><br />Ok, so I get ticked off then and tell them to fix the couple of scratches I had gotten on the boat over the last couple of months, which they promised they would fix while it was up there, put the boat back on a truck and ship it back to me here in Louisiana and I would fix the boat, myself, once and for all by adding Smart Tabs. They were arrogant enough to say that my dealer may have to make a run with me to show me how to run the boat to its top performance numbers. <br /><br />My question is: Could the higher altitude and lower humidity up there in Arkansas compared to here in South Southern Louisiana have caused this much difference in this engine's performance? Could there be something else wrong with the motor? Or do you think the dealer is just FULL OF S***?<br /><br />Any ideas and responses that any of you may have will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.<br /><br />P.S.--I will ordering my Smart Tabs come Monday.
 

bigbrownbuku

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

the higher alt will probably make the engine perform slightly worse then sea level. the air is thinner etc. find a local professional to help you with your problem. no reason why only a dealer could get a boat with a keel and chines to perform correctly. throw in some lift strakes though and then maybe only the dealer could get it to perform. heh. a boat is a boat is a boat.
 

pilot4net

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

The bottom of the boat is a stepped hull with two ridges on each side of the bottom that run from the centerline of the hull at an outboard angle toward the transom. These are the lifting strakes; well at least that's what the manufacturer refers to them as. My question about Ben's answer is this: Why would that make the boat perform only for the dealer better? Is there some special way to run this kind of hull that BenC's refering to? I don't know, but BenC, if you read this, please help me understand what you meant by this. <br /><br />Please, if anyone has any other ideas on the original message issues, please post them here. All of your help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

bigbrownbuku

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

just a bit of humour pilot. ive been water testing boats 15+ years. most marine techs such as myself could tell you very quickly what, if any problems there were/are when running your boat. save yourself a months fishing and hire a local guy with a good rep and he will steer you right in a day or less. then if there are problems go to the boat dealer armed with that invoice and the knowledge gained from his/her experience.
 

mjbrueck

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

This seems like an easy fix. Why not just have your dealer take you out and show you how to get the maximum performance out of it? Either the dealer will be able to report back exactly what's wrong, or he'll be able to show you what you're doing wrong.
 

WALTERGS

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

Hi there, I am running a similar yamaha/mercury 115hp motor on a 19ft fiberglass seamaster. I am having the exact same problem. The local dealer says there is nothing wrong with it. <br /><br />In my case I am only able to make 4800+- rpm at WOT. in order to achieve that rpm I have to trim the motor out to the edge of porpising. Which, as a side note may (I hope) be the reason for the unexplained overheat warning that I got on my last trip out. The same overheat warning went away and never came back, after I reduced the trim setting.<br /><br />I do not understand why the local boat shop thinks that a boat with a max RPM of 6000 is running ok at 4800 rpm WOT? It just does not make logical sense. <br /><br />By the way, this 4800 RPM is with a ss 17 pitch prop, it does even poorer with the factory prop alum 19 pitch. <br /><br />When I first got the boat, it made more RPMs than it does now.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

you guys are idiots.<br /> trust me you are.<br /> once you belive it we can move on.<br /> your dealers are worse.<br /> ask them to do a run up with test wheel part number YB1624, rpm should be 5600-5800. if it passes that test its NOT an engine problem. if it does not and the dealer is fuzzy find a real dealer., the merc F115 is a yamaha in a black dress. fix the thing and it will work. but first ya have to discern is the motor doing its thang or is your dealer actually dumber than you ?<br />but the test wheel run up takes 10 min at the ramp<br /> in 10 min you will know for a fact is it a hull or engine problem. if your dealer does not have the test wheel RUN ,RUN VERY FAST. go find a dealer with proper test equipment and trained techs.<br /> or pay and pay
 

nanoa

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

pilot 4net <br />i have a 2005 yamaha 115 on a eighteen ft northriver seahawk about the same weight as yours i think your dealer is full of it if he says he gets 50 plus out of this boat and motor combo my max speed is about the same as yours and i am quite happy with the performance it provides its only a 115 on a boat rated for a 150 as yours probably is also as for the porpoising most boats i have owned and i have had a few only have a little trim adjustment before they do start to porpoise my boat had a 19 inch prop from the dealer when i purchased it proped it down to a 17 to get the full rpms the motor was built to run at i guess what i am trying to say that if you want 50 plus out of this boat buy a larger yamaha just my opinion let it go get out and enjoy your new boat
 

31900

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

I think Witty is spot on. The speed and RPM at WOT are pretty right. Enjoy your boat as is, no need for changes. If you want more speed, get a bigger motor.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

that motor needs to be propped to turn 6000 RPM. if it wont its broke. but first you need to run it on the proper test wheel to insure its not broke. if it will turn the test wheel at the specified RPM you will know you have prop/hull issues.<br /> try not to chase ghosts, it can get expensive.
 

pilot4net

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

Thanks Rodbolt and everyone else who has replied to my question here. I plan on getting with the dealer when I get back from work on Oct. 18th and get the test prop you suggested. I will get him to come down with me to the launch to do the test. Can we just leave the boat on the trailer to do the test or do we need to launch the boat? If we do have to launch it, should I just get it planed out then trim it to right before the porpoising starts or what? I was just wondering what the proper test protocol was so that I can get a true test. Also, does the test wheel require any special knowledge to install/setup or does it install like a normal prop and acts like one also. I don't like to sound stupid, but some of us are just not as tech savvy as some of you are. That's why we ask such questions. Thanks again for the responses and I will be awaiting Rodbolts as well as others responses to these new questions I have.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

install the test wheel with the original prop attaching hardware. then back her down the ramp. no need to launch just submerge the gearcase to about the normal depth. then warm the engine up, install a known good tach, preferably inductive. be aware that you have a waste spark ign system. and open her up to full throttle.will make lots of noise and bubbles and will tell you in 30 seconds if your motor is making the correct power or if its broke.
 

pilot4net

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

Ok, Rodbolt, a couple more questions. What do you mean by an inductive tach? Is the one on the dash not accurate enough for such a test? Also, what is a waste spark ignition system and how does that factor into the test parameters? I appreciate your help with this and thank you. I am awaiting your responses.
 

bigbrownbuku

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Re: 2005 Yamaha F115 Running Erratically???

you need to rule out misinformation to get to the problem pilot. we use another tach to ensure the one on the boat is telling us the right information. the "waste spark" system as pertains to your motor is 2 dual coils that fire both leads at the same time. anyone that hooks up an inductive tach to these leads and doesnt divide by 2 is gonna get twice the rpm.
 
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