2007 496 HO Mag best starter

[nasdaqsam]

What is the best high performance longest lasting starter for this engine? 0W652707

I am going to have to darn near tear the engine out to replace the starter so want to put on in that is bullet proof or as close as I can get to bullet proof. I only want to do this once if I can help it.

Thanks
Scott

 

[Bt Doctur]

Why are you replacing it ?

 

[nasdaqsam]

Last year the bilge quit and flooded over the top of the starter due to the deck separating from the frame work. That has all since been repaired but ever since I have been blowing ignition fuses quite often. All the wiring checks out. The boat will now and again go negative when the key is turned to start. It will either blow a fuse or just not start. Let it sit a bit and starts right up. The only thing that makes sense is the starter, the solenoid or the fuse all in that area. With this boat I quite literally have to dismantle half the motor to get to it so as long as I am in there I want to put all new. For the few hundred I'll spend it will give me piece of mind.

 

[Bondo]

Ayuh,.... I ain't gettin' into Brands, but buy a permanent magnet motor starter,...
1/2 the size, 'n weight, with more power,....

Starters, no matter who's or what style are gonna Die, if they go swimmin',....
No if, ands, nor buts,....

Also,....
Have ya checked, 'n Cleaned to shiny metal Clean, the battery connections, 'n the other end of those same cables,..??
Could be the base problem,...

 

[Bt Doctur]

Last year the bilge quit and flooded over the top of the starter due to the deck separating from the frame work

A working bilge pump should have prevented that.

but ever since I have been blowing ignition fuses quite often

Nothing to do with the starter, the ign switch powers the slave solenoid ,

 

[nasdaqsam]

Ayuh,.... I ain't gettin' into Brands, but buy a permanent magnet motor starter,...
1/2 the size, 'n weight, with more power,....

Starters, no matter who's or what style are gonna Die, if they go swimmin',....
No if, ands, nor buts,....

Also,....
Have ya checked, 'n Cleaned to shiny metal Clean, the battery connections, 'n the other end of those same cables,..??
Could be the base problem,...

​Bondo, I have gone through everything short of the starter, solenoid and fuse on the starter mainly because I keep the boat on a hoist for the summer and just plane can not get to them until she's out of the water. I will look into the permanent magnet starters. First time I have heard of them.

 

[nasdaqsam]

Last year the bilge quit and flooded over the top of the starter due to the deck separating from the frame work

A working bilge pump should have prevented that.

but ever since I have been blowing ignition fuses quite often

Nothing to do with the starter, the ign switch powers the slave solenoid ,

The bilge was working but not well enough to keep up. The amount of water coming in during rough seas was tremendous. Both the leak and the bilge have been fixed. The new bilge pump is ten times the old one with a back up. The deck to frame is also fixed. There was another issue that I fixed as well the area were the gas tank goes has bleed off vents to get rid of excess water. It was quite common for people getting the water in the bilge to seal these which only made it worse. A quick talk with the hull designer had me up to speed in no time.

As for the starter. I intend to change out all of it. It was all under water for a quite a period of time. If it was all accessible easily I would piece meal it but it's not so once I get everything off it's all getting changed. Towing on the lake is not cheap one tow and all of the parts are paid for. It's just prudent to take care of all of it at once.

 

[nasdaqsam]

Just to add in case it was missed. What ever it is it causes the electric gauge to go negative. It's a dead short that comes and goes. All I can figure is it is in one of the three parts since everything else has been checked. It may just be a cable at the starter or solenoid but will only know that once I can get to that area. Even once everything I can take off has been taken off I am going to have to be somewhat of a contoursionist to get to it short of pulling the engine out of the boat all together. Two boat mechanics have all ready said its the only way to get to it but I think I can do it

 

[nasdaqsam]

Just a quick update: Soooooo took the boat out of the water this weekend and finally had a chance to work on the starter. 5 hours later I got to the starter.....sort of. I guess if you can call hanging half upside down over the transom with all of 5" between the hull and engine reaching down over and up to get to the bolts getting to it then I got to it. After unbolting it and taking another 5 minutes of contorting it to get it out of it's spot the problem was blatantly evident, the ground wire from the starter to the solenoid was just about off. With the starter so hard to get to I would have thought a little loc-tite or maybe a double nut would have been in order. I am going to put a new one in anyway and keep this one for a spare just because it is so hard to get to it I want to start it out fresh. I will change the fuse and all while it's apart. Better safe than sorry. So how was your Labor day weekend? lol.

 

[Bt Doctur]

the ground wire from the starter to the solenoid was just about off.

There is no ground wire on the starter???????????????

 

[nasdaqsam]

the ground wire from the starter to the solenoid was just about off.

There is no ground wire on the starter???????????????

The bare brass braided little short one that goes from the solenoid to the starter. It's about an inch and half long. That's not a ground wire? If not then the power wire from the solenoid to the starter heated enough to cook the jacket off and was loose. I assume the loose situation caused the over heating then???

 

[Bondo]

The bare brass braided little short one that goes from the solenoid to the starter. It's about an inch and half long. That's not a ground wire?

Nah, that's the main battery feed cable,....

The controlled side of the solenoid,....

The starter is grounded through the housin',....

 

[nasdaqsam]

Nah, that's the main battery feed cable,....

The controlled side of the solenoid,....

The starter is grounded through the housin',....

Well that's cooked. Being bare I assumed ground wire.

 

[Bt Doctur]

this wire connected to the solenoid is the main power wire to the motor

 

[nasdaqsam]

this wire connected to the solenoid is the main power wire to the motor

​That's the one except no jacket on it now. That would explain the negative electric reading at times. A new starter seams to be in order.

Any recommendatio9ns on a permanent magnet one?