2010 bass tracker - 60 efi planning questions

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My father brought a lightly used bass tracker recently, identical to this one http://www.trackerboats.com/boat/features_options.cfm?boat=3298. Equipped with a 60 efi 4 stroke mercury. I looked at the prop, and I believe it's said p14, but I'm not sure of the other measures. The prop is stock, not aftermarket. The boat takes a good 10 seconds plus to get up on a plane, and that's full equipped with 3 passengers, full tank of gas (20 gals), and tackle. We got it up to 35-36 trimmed out with all of that weight. We would sacrifice some top end spend for better hole shot. Any suggestions? Would a 4 blade prop help? Or perhaps a whale tail? You guys recommend a prop pitch? Thanks alot!
 
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Edit:the prop appears to be a 12x22. It was running a top speed of 36@6000 rpms
 

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I think your 12/22 is an interpretation of your gear ratio 1.83.
Judging by your numbers I'd say your setup pretty good and the motor is
at its max.Once on plane your doing pretty well.
If you go with a foil,not my first choice,you need to be sure the motor is mounted as high as possible.You don't want to be dragging the foil through the water at speed.
The anti vent plate(just above the prop) needs to be slightly above the bottom.
I like the 4 blade Solas Amita prop in one inch less than your present prop.
Should maintain rpm,improve hole shot,stay on plane with less throttle and have better control around the dock.It may cost a little top end.
 
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what exactly is a "foil"? Do these 4-stroke EFI engines just not produce the TQ that the 2 stroke does? We came from a 17ft aluminum boat with a 70 2 stroke yamaha and that boat would plane in probably 4 seconds or less...but it also weighs alot less. So your suggesting a 13" pitch 4 blade prop? I perfer stainless steel over aluminum.
 

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As you probably already know,your WOT rpms are pretty much perfect,so going down in pitch will only give you more(rpms)...probably not good.
I know people that use 4 and 5 bladed props and get a great holeshot,good for ski boats,some bass boats as well.I'm just not sure if you have to drop a pitch or not,if your thinking stainless I'd drop atleast 1 pitch for sure.
Would a dealer be willing to let you try acouple different props?That be the only real way of finding out whats best,everything else is just a guess to get you close.
I'd try different props before a foil.
 
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i'm looking into trying a 4 blade stainless prop - perhaps i could call a local shop and see if I could try out a prop. But does that sound about right to get this boat up on a plane with this motor? Almost a good 10 seconds? Is that just because the 4stroke is sluggish? The boat may have 10 hours on it.
 

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I call whale tale type devices "foils" because they generally are foil shaped like a wing.
I think the 4 stroke is a little slower to develope torque;
this makes weight placement,prop selection and motor setup critical.
They also have much more reciprocating weight.
If your changing to stainless as well
that adds more difficulty determining results and selecting a prop.
You may find a dealer that will let you try props if you make a deposit with intentions of buying a prop.
 
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thanks for the info!

however, if we drill any holes in the motor itself the warrenty gets voided. Someone was talking about a bolt-on/removable foil. Does anyone have experience with this? Where can I get one?

update - took the boat out yesterday, 2 passangers and hit 40 @ 6000! Just would like to get it on a plane quicker so I can fish shallower waters.
 

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Is the motor trimmed all the way down? Do you have tilt/trim? If not, where's the pin?
 
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i'll have to check the pin, i believe its in the lowest position. Yes, the motor is trimmed down fully when I take off, then when it planes out I trim up.
 

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Just my experience but I bought a rig new in 2007 and thought I was getting a deal from dealer buying his leftover 2006 Merc 40hp 4 stroke EFIPT and it took a hundred yards to get it on plane. I found out that the 2006 Merc weighed 30 to 40 lbs more than the 2007 model.

Two weeks later I swapped it for the 2007 model and the boat jumped up on plane like in 2-4 feet!

The dealer said it was a linkage problem, but he sold it to someone else (would have been nice for him to test drive my rig on the water but he never did) and another dealer 2 years later from 200 miles away in NH called me and asked if I ever had any issues with this particular motor. He saw on his dealer computer that even though I only owned it two weeks, I was still in the system as the 1st owner. So if it was a linkage problem, looks like no one ever fixed it.

I would rule out a few other things:
You note the rig is a 2010.

1. Check the year on the outboard. It's on a plate on the side. If it's older than 2007 you might be running a Merc model that was a lot heavier than newer years (I was). Try trimming the prop all the way in (closer to the boat) to start your hole shot (not trimmed out away from the boat).

2. Check out that the linkage and such, is doing what it's supposed to coming out of the hole shot. Bring it to a dealer or shop that's close to a lake, so a mechanic can take it for a test drive.

3. Check out the max hp rating for that rig on the boat makers website. I think a 60 hp for a 16 foot boat would be OK for a 2 stroke, but a 4 stroke is heavy. And 3 or 4 people plus gear probably is taxing the outboard on the hole shot. I bet you find that the rig is max rated for 75-90 hp. If it's max rated for 75, a 60 should be fine, but if it's 90 you are going to lug on the hole shot fully loaded.

I don't believe in using foils personally. It can stress the outboard and void a warranty. Hurt the resale too once you drill holes. To me if it would help an outboard the manufacturers would sell them as accessories! Large ones could be dangerous on high speed turns too, I would think!

4. I have two props. The OEM one and another one I bought as a spare. I bought the spare in another pitch and I swap it out if I'm going to spend the day with a 3rd and 4th person on board. But either prop pops boat up on plane in a few feet.

Also, check out that the prop that was supposed to be OEM for that Merc, is actually the OEM one on it. The other owner could have replaced it with the wrong prop. When outboards are shipped to the dealer many don't come with props especially the higher hp ones. Some dealers charge extra for a prop, so who knows what the dealer threw on from stock he had laying around.

My Merc came rigged from the dealer 2 inches too low. But after I adjusted it 2 seasons later, it never effected the hole shot (because I'm at max rating). Only the top end handling and no back spray was effected, after I raised it to even with the boats bottom.

Some manufacturers lowered their max ratings after 2008 for smaller boats as they started selling only the heavier 4 strokes.

Bottom line is if everything else checks out, you probably are underpowered. Many dealers sell underpowered packages just to keep price low and move the deals. It should be illegal for them to do that because if another boat was coming at me when I was stopped, there is no way I could have gotten out of the way with my first underpowered and heavier outboard.

I just don't think spending $150 on a different pitch prop is going to give you the instant result you are looking for. Check possible other issues first. Some online prop places have swap out policies (maybe even iboats) will allow you to buy a prop and swap it back to them for a different one, if you don't like it.

Just my past experience with my new rig and Merc. Hope this helps!

Also ask your question in the Bass Tracker forum to see what other users with the same model, HP and prop size are using on their 16 footers.
 
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thanks for your input!

I don't believe the boat is under powered. With a full tank, and all of the equipment running 40 mph in a 17ft boat with a 60 4 stroke merc is pretty good i think. Once its going, it will run. The motor is a 09. I believe the boat is rated for a 90 max. I talked to a guy with a 90 optimax, and he said he could only run 48 - so I believe the boat is pretty much on par performance wise. I will check everything else you noted.

So your saying your boat will jump on a plane in 2-4 feet? with a 40 merc 4-stroke? what kind of boat is this?
 

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I must be missing where the OP stated the confirmed prop size. Steel asked if the 12/22 was referencing the gear ratio or actual prop size.

Bottom line, as stated in a few areas here, drop 1" in pitch and go with a 4-blade. If you currently have AL and want SS, the rpm will again be affected.

Good luck!
 

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Lund Classic about 14 feet 9 inches. With the 40 hp it jumps right up on plane. If it's rated for a 90 hp then at 60 hp (and the weight of a 4 stroke) you are only 67% of the max HP.

I've read on other threads that many suggest to be at least 75% of max HP. Especially after your passengers and gear. Your issue is not with the top end speed. It's getting up on plane that takes the initial big torque.

And I thought you quoted your bought at 16 feet when I commented. Now that you say it's actaully 17 feet it takes even more power to get to plane.

I bet if you check out older years for that same model they used to be max rated for like 115.

I hope the another prop might help but I'm no expert, I'm just pointing out that your issue may be first and foremost that the rig might be slightly under powered to start with.

Keep in mind, when you use a SS prop if you hit anything more damage might transmits directly to your lower unit. An aluminum prop is more flexible and forgiving and only costs around $30 to send it to an online prop repair shop. I've repaired my props twice already.
Also, a SS prop can be stolen right off your outboard quickly.

I just paid like $450 to the repair shop to replace a lower unit part that I must have damaged at the end of last season. I'm sure a SS prop would have caused an even bigger bill.

I crossed through the same bay I've been in many times before. I have a GPS with a Navionics chip, but I think the water was lower last year and I must have caught a particular rock that was a lot lower over past seasons!

Please report back after you figure out what your issue was. I know how frustrating it can be and expensive to have a dealer trial and error your issue. I had a lot of help from the members here to figure out and solve any past issues I've had.

And check with other members in the Bass Tracker forum (but I checked and I don't see a "Bass Tracker" forum here, there is a "Tracker" though) to see if they can get right up on plane with the same hull model and the HP's you have. A forum with a similar model would be a great place to start before you spend too much money with the same end result.
 
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