25 hp recoil starter

[duckhunter55]

Ok can someone explain how to properly wind up recoil rope. Ive got a new spring and new rope. Have spring in place. Now how many times should I wind the recoil to attach rope and then let it recoil itself up? And how do i line up the 2 marks with the arrow? When i have tried it, every time i pull the rope i only get the pawls to grab at the very end of the pull, thus most of the time undoing my knot! It never grabs at the beggining of the pull. Im thinking this is because the marks are off or something. And does rope length matter? Thanks for help in advance! Motor is a 1978 25hp Johnson

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: 25 hp recoil starter

You don't want to over tighten the spring for sure. You can always cut the rope shorter if you put to much on the recoil starter. It's better to have to much rope then not enough rope on the recoil starter this way it can be cut down to size.. Let's get some more input from these guys, don't just take my word for it.

To refer back to your thread about the recoil spring installation if you need it.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=229245

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: 25 hp recoil starter

(Manual Starter Cord Installation -Over The Flywheel Type Only)
(J. Reeves)

For what it's worth, my method of installing a new cord on the over the flywheel type manual starters is as follows.

Arms outstreched (approx 6'), I cut a proper size nylon cord that length, tie a figure 8 knot in one end, then melt the ends with a flame to prevent unravelling, using a rag to form a somewhat point on one end. No cord in manual atrter pulley.... wind pulley to it fullest point. Keeping a good grip on the pulley, let it slide back to where the cord hole in the pulley aligns with the manual starter housing cord hole, then install the cord.

Now, keeping a good grip on the cord, slowly let the manual starter rewind pulling the cord in. In most cases, the cord will be too long so install the pull handle accordingly so that the handle retracts completely.

This is the way I've performed this procedure for quite a number of years and regardless of the design of the pulley, I encountered no problerms.
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(Manual Starter Assembly)
(This pertains to the type of Manual Starter Housing that sits over top of the flywheel)
(J. Reeves)

Lay the manual starter housing upside down on the workbench.

Wind the spring in your hands so that you can lay it into the housing, having the outer spring end hooked over the retaining pin. Make sure the spring is in there properly (You do not want it to fly out of there).

Holding the spring down, with pliers carefully bend about 3" or 4" (more or less) on the inner portion of the spring in towards the center of the housing. This will allow the pulley pin to enter the retaining hole at the end of the spring properly.

Lay the pulley down over the spring, making sure that the pin on the pulley is secured to the retaining hole on the end of the spring. Install the spindle (center bearing gizzmo), bolt, nut, etc, whatever your particular manual starter may use.

The cord (nylon) should be roughly 72" long. Have a figure 8 knot in one end. Heat the other end so that you could form a point on it, wiping it with a rag when it's burning or hot to a melting point.

Now, with the starter housing still upside down, keeping a firm grip on that starter housing and also the pulley, start winding the pulley in the normal counter clockwise direction. Wind it as far as it will go, then carefully let it back off until the starter pulley cord hole is aligned with the housing cord outlet.

Hold the pulley there and insert the cord in through the inside of the pulley and out through the starter housing. Pull the cord through completely and get a good grip on it. Now let the pulley retract the cord, but hold onto the cord (don't let it fly in there).

If it's obvious that the cord is too long, figuring what will be needed within the handle, shorten it as needed.

Pull the cord out so that about two feet of the cord is exposed. Tie a slip knot so that the cord can't retract back.

Insert the cord into the handle and secure as needed, then release the slip knot allowing the cord to be withdrawn fully. That's all there is to it.

When time permits, visit my store (copy/paste) at: stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store

 

[F_R]

Re: 25 hp recoil starter

If I may add just one little tid-bit to make it easier: Notice that there is a little hole in the rope pulley. Before you begin, find a pin or nail or something that will fit through that hole. Now, when you get the pulley/spring wound up, stick the nail through that hole and let the pulley retract till the nail stops it. That will hold it from further rewinding and free up your hands to install the rope....you can take all day if you want. Yeah, I know, Joe has done so many that he doesn't need the nail. So have I, but I still use it.

 

[hammerhandle]

Re: 25 hp recoil starter

Gee: I wish the gentelmen who had the hard starting ,hard pulling , back breaking , 2 fisted grip with both legs against the transom would have read this post a couple months ago !! LOL.. Great advice.

 

[duckhunter55]

Re: 25 hp recoil starter

Regarding hard to pull motors, i have noticed that if i over tighten the the center bolt which holds the whole pull rope assembly together, then the motor will be very hard to pull, sometimes cant pull at all. But if it is too loose then the pawl does not grab, and nothing happens. Is this how its supposed to be, must get the bolt tightened just right for the pawls to grab.

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: 25 hp recoil starter

Hammer..... I passed along the above advice to that engine/manual starter you speak of. Frankly I think he had shaved heads or something as nothing appeared to be of any help to him.

Duck..... THat bolt/center spindle must absolutely be as tight as possible. If tightening that bolt results in having the pulley jam, you have another problem.

When time permits, visit my store (copy/paste) at: stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store

 

[craigrs8271]

Re: 25 hp recoil starter

these can be very frustrating I had problems with my 15 hp .
This is what I did when my spring sprung out of the housing.


I was so FRUSTRATED so I wrote in here to find an easier way. While I was waiting for a response I got an Idea that worked .."SOOOO EASY!" for me. It took me longer to drag out tools.

~ I broke the whole assembly down.
Then wound the rope into the pulley.(making sure I have wound the rope the right way) I took a screw driver & pushed the end of the rope into the pulley(between the already wound rope & pulley) so that the rope was totally out of the way.

Then letting the spring that was already sprung out ,I attatched it to the bottom of the pulley. Now taking the bottom starter housing I put it together letting the spring hang out or dangle out of the little slot of the bottom housing...

I then took the bolt that goes through the starter & put it through the pulley & housing(leave the starter gear off for now), holding it in hand I put a nut (one I found to put on TEMPORARY) on the bolt & tightend it finger tight. This held it together & now I wound the spring into the housing....(VERY SIMPLE)

After the spring is in the housing I took ZIP TIES & zip tied the pulley & housing together. CAREFULLY undoing the extra nut off the end of the bolt.
I pulled out the bolt & put on the starter gear.

Finally I put the starter into place on the motor , put the bolt back through & tightend it up tight enough to hold the pulley & spring together on the motor (3/4 way tight) .
I cut the zip ties off , tightend it the rest of the way.
Pulling the end of the rope back out the pulley the rest is pretty much self explanitory.


This acually really only took me about 10 minutes to do.

I am not sure if the starters are the same but if they are Might work for you , it did me !