25XD ignition failure debug

j1smith2

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25XD ('84 or '85) has one working cylinder and one that gets no spark - no voltage is reaching the spark plug.

I believe I've ruled out the ignition coils and that they are both functional. That leaves the stator and trigger windings, and the 339-7452 A7 ignition module.

If someone has a schematic of what is inside the 339-7452 A7 ignition module, that would be mighty helpful in the troubleshooting process. Based on some rudimentary electrical measurements, I've attached a drawing of what I believe is in the module. Feel free to correct my sketch :)

Looks like 1 stator winding is faulty. But there seems to be a diode connection between the inputs of the ignition module, so 1 good winding should charge both capacitors in the ignition module... is ignition module faulty as well?

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Here's what I know (referenced to attached drawings):

Spark 1 works. Spark 2 does not.

Winding Tests
1. Connect Coil 2 to E and Coil 1 to F. Spark 2 now works and Spark 1 does not.
Conclusion ? coils aren?t the problem.

2. Restore Coil 1 to E and Coil 2 to F.
3. Connect oscilloscope probe from A to ground. Meaures ~ 100V.
4. Connect oscilloscope probe from B to ground. No voltage.
Probable conclusion ? 1 faulty Stator winding

5. Connect oscilloscope probe to C. Measures ~ +4V pulse train, ~4ms wide, 66ms period.
6. Connect oscilloscope probe to D. Measures ~ -4V pulse train, ~4ms wide, 66ms period.
Probable conclusion ? Trigger winding ok.

7. Connect Stator A-1 to B and Stator B-1 to A. Spark 1 works. Spark 2 does not.
Probable conclusion ? depends on what is in ignition module.


Ignition Module Tests:
1. Connect ohm-meter Kill to A. Measures 0 ohms.
2. Connect ohm-meter Kill to B. Measures open. Put in Diode mode ? measures .526V.
Conclusion ? Diode b/t A & B
QUESTION ? given diode connection, could I live with only 1 working stator winding?

3. Connect oscilloscope to A. Close Switch1. Time constant => Ceff = 2 uF.
4. Connect oscilloscope to B. Close Switch1. Time constant => Ceff = 2 uF.
5. Short A to B. Close Switch1. Time constant => Ceff = 2 uF.
Conclusion ? At least 1 cap is good.
Question - What is expected capacitance? Is 1 of the caps defective?

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Have access to plenty of electrical equipment if there is some other test that needs to be run...
 

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Re: 25XD ignition failure debug

That test is quite nice but the simple way to get a answer is to use the right equipment a DVA or direct voltage meter as I at lest don't know if the oscilloscope is reading direct voltage if it is there should be 150+ on the high speed and 25+ on the low speed windings, the trouble is that each winding serves both cyls. so with spark on one cyl who knows. Heres the right test for the system and the answer to your problem.
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Here's a drawing of the system along with the pulses.
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