5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

JTRUSH

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Hello to all! I have a 1996 Shabah z210 with the 5.7l EFI and bravo one. Motor has 97hrs.
I'm going to jump right into this:
While on the water and a load on the motor it will bogg out at about 3k rpms. It will free rev with no problems in neutral.
The motor starts like and champ and idles with no problems, everything sounds great!
So far this is what I have completed:
Drained tank, refilled with 93 and sea foam, removed the pickup from tank and cleaned small screen in side the tube, removed the ball bearing and spring from fitting, replaced fuel hose,water fuel filter and all spark plugs. Removed the fuel pump/vapor separator and cleaned small cylinder filter on bottom of pump.
Put her in the water today and ran great for the first throttle up then Bam! Back to bogging at at 3k, never stalls just cuts out big time.

What I did next was very stupid I know but it gave me a good bit of information to narrow down the list. While on the lake I removed the spark arrester, fired up the engine with hatch open and could see a good flow of fuel from both injectors into the ports. I had a friend give it throttle to induce the bogging; when it did occur the fuel from the injectors would almost come to a complete stop, then trigger back on.
So now we know its a fuel delivery issue, or I would think? Here are my questions.. What controls the injectors to keep a continuing flow of fuel? The motor looks to have a throttle position sensor, maybe this? I'm kinda leaning away from the fuel pump just because of the consistent cone shaped flow. I could be totally wrong.

Is there a module in the distributor that supplies a signal to the fuel system?
Something is telling my injectors or pump to cut out when at a certain throttle position.

From the research I have done most people speak of ignition system problems. Could that control my symptoms?

Any ideas guys?
Thanks in advance,
John
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

With efi you have to have diagnostic equipement..there are just to many interelated components. Find your ecm post the model number on it.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...3c0&zw&sig=AHIEtbQZJDuTyG6hsWBsXU4OYmN1wUWo_A

Try to get that link to work it has one of the better guide's to FI for marine engine's.

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That tool is indespensible
 

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Don S

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

What is your engines Mercruiser serial number. That tell more than anything else.
Boats don't always have the same year engine and drive as the boat is, could be a model year older or newer.
 

Don S

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

Have you checked fuel pressure? Not just at idle, but when it boggs down. I have found the screen on the intake side of the pump in the VST partially plugged. That could very easily cause your problem.

Your engine is a 95, and has the VST on it. Not all had the VST,
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

That link works and will cover your efi and the vst. It sounds like power reduction mode meaning the ecu sensors are bad or the engine is..oil..spark...water temp..not in spec. You have to read that manual identify your ecm type and trouble shoot... Catching the injectors cutting off is a indicator...And one nice thing about tbi...hmm
 

JTRUSH

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

I will be checking fuel pressure this weekend, i did have a chance to take apart the vst and clean the small circle filter that was almost black. That was deff. one of many problems. Thanks for a heads up on that one!

@tail_Gunner- That link came up in Russian.. Hate to be a pain. Is there a master reset on the ecm? My oil gauge is always in spec and the water temp sits between 150-160. I keep a close eye on both. So maybe ignition then? Is there a common component in the ignition circuit that acts up on my motor, just looking for something to start with.
I ready to get some parts ordered :)
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

I will be checking fuel pressure this weekend, i did have a chance to take apart the vst and clean the small circle filter that was almost black. That was deff. one of many problems. Thanks for a heads up on that one!

@tail_Gunner- That link came up in Russian.. Hate to be a pain. Is there a master reset on the ecm? My oil gauge is always in spec and the water temp sits between 150-160. I keep a close eye on both. So maybe ignition then? Is there a common component in the ignition circuit that acts up on my motor, just looking for something to start with.
I ready to get some parts ordered :)

http://www.mdmotors.ru/netcat_files...akteristiki_sistem__EFI__MEFI__MPI__alb_2.pdf

There it works now sorry about that dunno how that happened but it did. Your going to need a code reader and in that pdf file it show's how to find your ecu post the type or number's in here

http://www.rinda.com/marine/mtspec.htm#techmate code reader


http://media.channelblade.com/EProWebsiteMedia/3506/Mercruiser warning horns.pdf


Page 4 mefi 1&2 Possible reduction of power


Several Discrete Switch Inputs are utilized by the EFI
system to identify abnormal conditions that may affect
engine operation. “Pull-up” and “pull-down” switches are
currently used in conjunction with the ECM to detect
conditions critical to engine operation.
If a switch changes state from its normal at-rest position
(i.e. normally closed to open, or normally open to
closed), the ECM senses a change in voltage and responds
by entering RPM reduction mode. One such
switch, for oil pressure (normally open), is used in the
S.L.O.W.TM system. S.L.O.W. allows the operator a safe
maneuvering speed while removing the possibility of high
RPM operation until the problem is corrected.

The EFI system includes a protective feature called
Speed Limiting Operational Warning (S.L.O.W.). This
system prevents engine damage should oil pressure be
lost or engine coolant temperature become excessive.
The ECT sensor has a two-fold function; it supplies water
temperature data to the ECM in order to control spark
and fuel, and also triggers the S.L.O.W. system should
temperature reach or exceed 200?. A separate oil pressure
switch can also trigger the S.L.O. W. system should
oil pressure drop to or below 3-4 PSI.
Engine operation while in S.L.O.W. is distinctive. If the
system is activated at any speed above 2500 RPM, one
bank of injectors is immediately shut off and spark timing
is fixed at 8?. Boat speed will drop until RPM falls
below 2500. The engine will continue to operate on one
half the injectors at 8? unless RPM drops to 1200. At
1200 RPM, normal injector operation and spark timing
is restored (re-set point). The boat can now be operated
up to 2500 RPM in a normal manner, but if 2500 RPM is
exceeded and the cause of S.L.O.W. activation is still
present, one bank of injectors will again be shut off and
timing fixed at 8?.
S.L.O.W. will continue to perform in this manner until the
cause is eliminated. Should the cause be self-corrected
(i.e. weeds come off water screen, or oil re-covers
pickup), engine operation will return to normal when the
ECT senses water temperature at 180? or below, or oil
pressure exceeds 4 PSI.
 

JTRUSH

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

Problem solved! I removed the VST and noticed that the diaphram mounted to the top cover beside the fuel pump was missing two screws which I later found at the bottom of the VST. Looks like that works to pressurize the fuel system. Cleaned everything up, put it back together and ran 60mph with out skipping a beat. Thank you everyone who spend time helping me with this issue. I'm very appreciative for this forum.
John.
 

Alwhite00

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

Where is the ECM located? Just curious.

LK
 

JTRUSH

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Re: 5.7l EFI Bravo cutting out at 3k rpm's

I'm assuming it is mounted inside the control box (top right of motor) where the serial number and motor info sticker is placed. There is a box inside there with heat sinks. That's always a sign of a computer/ module.
 
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