55 gal drum TCW II oil

Silver Heels

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I was scanning craigslist this morning and saw a post for a guy selling 2 55 gal barrels of OMC TCW II oil for $100 ea. I got to thinking that this could be a great deal. TCW II oil has to be, what, 10 or 15 years old, but oil doesn't go bad right? I'm sure the majority of us on this site have engines rated for TCW II. I have no interest in the sale of these, but if anyone would like the location, it is Fond du Lac, WI and the posting is on Milwaukee craigslist.
 

ondarvr

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

The shelf life of oil is normally stated to be around 4 years and #III is better than #II, so why go backwards.

Not sure what these drums would be good for.

The guy just doesn't want to spend the money to have them disposed of as hazardous waste.
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

Where is it stated the shelf life is 4 years? The reason I ask is because I have some over 5 years old and the dealer said no problem using it as it doesn't go bad. Also, what is better about TCW III than II? Lots of outboards still chugging along with 30 plus years use of TCW III. Is it slipperier or something?
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

The shelf life of oil is normally stated to be around 4 years and #III is better than #II, so why go backwards.

Not sure what these drums would be good for.

The guy just doesn't want to spend the money to have them disposed of as hazardous waste.

Don't know where the 4 years is coming from.
From Evinrude : http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/About.Us/FAQ/Oil.Fuel.htm?popup=true#Q6

Q - I have some oil that has been sitting on the shelf for a few years. Is it any good? Can I still use it?
A - Yes, just shake it up and it will be fine (it may need to be room temperature).

Q - I have a lot of TCW-2 oil. Can I still use it in my motor?
A - Yes, as long as it's a 1992 or older motor. You may want to use Carbon Guard to minimize the formation of carbon deposits in the engine. Using TCW-2 oil in a motor that requires TCW-3 oil will void your warranty, should an oil related failure occur.
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

Not aware of a "shelf life" for 2 stroke oil.
But I stand to be corrected :)
 

rodbolt

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

the anti wear and detergent additives can and will settle out of solution over time.
oil pours out then the mud follows.
I would not trust 15 year old 55 gallon drums of oil.
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

I agree with Rodbolt. I purchased a 55 gallon drum of oil about 15 years ago and before I could get it used up in my 200hp Merc it started jelling up. I decided I would not go that route again, but now have a 225 Honda so don't have to worry about it.
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

Don't know where the 4 years is coming from.
From Evinrude : http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/About.Us/FAQ/Oil.Fuel.htm?popup=true#Q6

Q - I have some oil that has been sitting on the shelf for a few years. Is it any good? Can I still use it?
A - Yes, just shake it up and it will be fine (it may need to be room temperature).

Q - I have a lot of TCW-2 oil. Can I still use it in my motor?
A - Yes, as long as it's a 1992 or older motor. You may want to use Carbon Guard to minimize the formation of carbon deposits in the engine. Using TCW-2 oil in a motor that requires TCW-3 oil will void your warranty, should an oil related failure occur.

No where in the link does it say anything about 15 to 20 year old oil, it says "sat on the shelf for a few years".

If you can find #II that's fresh, then it can be used in an old motor and not void the warranty, that's all they claim. Then they say use Carbon Guard though.

If you read many of the old oil threads here, or the threads about shelf life on oil forums, they say 4 years is about it for most oils to assure they're still in good shape. Some may last longer, some less.

When you put a variety of chemicals together and seal them in a container, there can be many different reactions that take place, the warmer it is, the faster they happen. Many ingredients will break down and become less affective, others may form harmful compounds that can be corrosive. I throw out all oil that may be in question, can't see risking a good running engine for a couple bucks. At least use fresh Wal-Mart oil if you want to be cheap, I'm not saying W-M oil is bad stuff, its just the lowest price product out there.


Yes #III is better than #II.
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

On the settling comments, I drained the crankcase oil out of an engine once and put it in a plastic container with a lid. It was jet black when I drained it....typical older engine diesel oil.

A year or so later I happened onto the shelf where I had placed it (why I happened to put it on a shelf rather than put it in my used oil recycling drum, I don't know) and it sat, undisturbed, for over a year.

The top 7/8 of the solution in the container was honey colored, clear oil and the bottom was full of sludge as "rodbolt" mentioned with new oil with additives. I just never thought about that additives/contaminants, if they weighed more than that of their solution would settle out (as long as a chemical union didn't occur). But that wasn't something I needed to think about at the time so I didn't. I thought that one (not me) might reuse old oil if left to separate like this, but what I had no access to was the chemical composition of the oil, in particular the presence of sulphuric acid...from the sulphur primarily in the fuel the engine used. That alone was enough to abandon any idea of sorts.

For the record on using TCW-II vs III, my current Merc Service Manual was published in 1997 and TCW-II was the highest rating available at that time and recommended for the engines in there. It looks like you should be able to at least use it in '97 or older engines.

Lot to be said about current seller, selling to avoid disposal problems.

What does an average citizen do with 110 gallons of 2 cycle engine oil? I bought an 18 wheeler once with an 800 cu in Cummins II 400 hp turbo diesel that held 11 gallons of Rotella T 15W-40. I bought that in 55 gallon drums since I had to change oil about every 2 months, but on a 2 cycle outboard?

My 2c, as usual worth what you paid for it.

Mark
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

55 gal of two cycle motor would last me the rest of my boating life @ 50-1 mix. 2,700 gals of fuel.
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

Storage of this oil over the years is something to consider. Condensation with temperature changes can happen.

This is probably New Old Stock oil from a former dealer. If you have a fleet of older motors and you know you would use this oil up rather quickly, I`d offer the guy $25 a drum. I wouldn`t pay $100 a drum to have this stuff sit around another 15 years.

The kind of motors I think would ok to use this oil in are the older motors you have to premix your fuel.
I dont think I would trust this oil with an injection system in case of the posibility of small sludge deposits.
Shook up and mixed with gasoline would dilute any small deposits.
This old oil still has to be better than the old W30 of years past.
 

j_martin

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

55 gallons of TCW II oil would last me less than a week.

In my shop oil burner.

And then it would have to be mixed and filtered.

my 02
John
 

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

The TC-W3 standard came out about 1993 so any TC-W2 oil would be around 17 years old or older. Chemical decomposition and additive separation along with jelling deposits were just some of the reasons that the improved TC-W3 oil spec was required.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

Lots of good comments from a technical perspective, but I wouldn't buy the stuff simply because the seller is "some guy" on Craigslist. Who knows what is in those barrels? I sure wouldn't gamble my outboard on "erl" that may or may not be what the guy says it is.

Besides, I buy bulk oil out of a 55 gallon drum at my local OMC/BRP dealer anyway. Its about 5 bucks a gallon cheaper than the gallon jugs on the shelf.


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Re: 55 gal drum TCW II oil

About 11 years ago when a local Central Tractor went out of business I bought up two pallets of their 2.5 gallon jugs of TCW-II outboard oil, it will no doubt last me a long time and I've been running it ever since with no issues. I think I paid somewhere in the area of $.50 per jug, maybe less. I run only older motors and really don't see any problems with the older oil. These motors were designed to run on this oil, and they lasted just fine back then. I have a few motors that even seem to run better on the older oil for some reason, but I've not yet figured out why. One is an early 70's Mercury 9.8 which for what ever reason runs terrible on newer oil.

Not to say that I've not also used the same oil in oil cans and on my drill press, but it's still just fine in my outboards. The way I see it, some of my older motors were still being run on 30w motor oil when they were new, so any formulated two stroke oil has got to be an improvement.
I've got one motor which was run on drain oil for many years before I got it and it's still in perfect running shape today. It was run every weekend by it's original owner who used what ever oil he drained out of his customer's cars at his shop mixed with gas. It's still got perfect compression and runs fine. The only drawback I found to how he ran it was all the waste oil sludge in the fuel tank. The motor is a 1957 18hp Johnson.
 
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