'56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

joaklay

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I just picked up a '56 Johnson Javelin that has a very odd (too me) problem. Its "steering column" (whatever) is siezed, doesn't swivel to turn the outboard as it should. I've never seen that before. Great for making constant left circles only but that's about it.<br /> Anyone have ideas how I can try to free it up?
 

Paul Moir

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

My 28hp parts motor came that way. Over the years the grease dries out and stiffens up. But first back of the 'Co-Pilot' steering friction screw on the top right side of the 'steering column'. It ought to have a spring behind it to hold the adjustment.<br /><br />I would first try spraying lots of penetrating oil between the joint at the top of the column, and at the joint at the bottom just above the two brackets that join it to the mid-section. The presumably frozen bearing surfaces of the swivel are only at these two places. Unfortunately, there is an o-ring sealing the bottom one: I don't know if spraying it is going to do it a lot of good. So concentrate on the top joint. Actually, completely remove the 'co-pilot' screw and spray in there too.<br /><br />If that doesn't help, try heating it up with a propane torch. The bushings are fibrous and will not melt down like a nylon one. As soon as you get it free, start pumping fresh grease in the two zirks on the column.<br /><br />It's amazing how well old grease will fuse two parts together. Removing the steering bracket should be a last resort for two reasons. The rubber isolators have aluminium studs that will twist off when you try to remove the nuts from them, and to remove the fifth isolator you must first remove the engine to access it's nut.<br /><br />Hope this helps!
 

joaklay

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

Thanks for the info Paul. I'm soaking it with WD-40 as we speak.<br /> It's been repainted so I hate to try heat yet, hopefully I can avoid that. Why anyone repainted it being siezed like that baffles me but......
 

joaklay

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

The seller claims that it sat on a stand in that same spot for 32 yrs and that he didn't notice its steering pivot shaft being siezed when he removed it. I'm hoping that I don't need heat as that'll ruin the paint in that area.
 

rwise

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

Try PB Blaster instead of wd 40, it just works better.
 

Chinewalker

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

Hi Joakley,<br /> If you can't get it unstuck, I've got a column I'll give you for the cost of shipping... It's even Holiday Bronze!<br />- Scott
 

joaklay

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

Hi Chinewalker, thanks for the offer. It's now got PB Blaster sprayed on it BUT it is REALLY stuck so we'll see. I might be contacting you later on that if nothing else works.<br /> There is only one grease fitting on the column, I don't see another (nor on my '57 Javelin either) but those don't look like automotive zerks. Are they removeable or will I break it off if I try? Just wondering if I could spray more PB Blaster inside IF the zerk was removed? The adjustment screw is removed and I spray in there but I'm not sure if much gets inside.
 

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

Hi Joakley,<br /> Have you tried some moderate heat with a heat gun or propane torch? I've found that the heat can go a long ways towards loosening up old grease. If the motor was never grease properly and stored somewhere that it was exposed to electrolysis or on brackish water (you're in Milwaukee so it's probably not a "salty") it may be beyond help and simply corroded inside. I wouldn't try to pull the zerk unless it has a hex base to it for a wrench...<br />- Scott
 

joaklay

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

The motor came from a guy in NJ SO who knows? Short of its steering, it's clean otherwise. The seller pretends to have owned it for over 32 yrs, says he knows nothing about when it was repainted but its paint is fresh (hardly 32 yrs old) SO he's not being honest about that. He also says that he didn't notice its steering being siezed BUT that's so obvious that anyone would notice that too.<br /> Havent yet tryed heat, maybe tomorrow?
 

Paul Moir

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

I agree with Chinewalker - you may be forced towards heat if the penetrating oil doesn't free it up. Personally, I always use MAPP (well, actually propylene) rather than propane for this task as it gets the heat to where you need it faster. <br />Those zirks are a little different from the normal ones - they don't lock the grease gun on. I can vouch that they're nearly impossible to remove. If you can think of a way to force solvent into them, it may help. I use a hypodermic needle, minus the needle for it.<br />Well, it must be contageous - I dragged home a (v. good compression) '65 33hp yesterday that has the same problem. Same steering and swivel bracket too. But mine turns right. ;) <br />Email me at paul.moir@ns.sympatico.ca if you want an exploded diagram of the swivel bracket so you can see what you're up against.<br />And good luck - patience and persistance will pay off!
 

joaklay

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

OK thanks. I've got Mapp gas here too.
 

joaklay

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Re: '56 Johnson, siezed "steering column"?

Originally posted by Chinewalker:<br /> Hi Joakley,<br /> If you can't get it unstuck, I've got a column I'll give you for the cost of shipping... It's even Holiday Bronze!<br />- Scott
 
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