58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

prodj50

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HELP! I have a 1958 Johnson outboard 35Hp that will run for about 1 minute, then backfires, and dies. I have installed new coils, etc. to no avail. ALSO, I had to replace the origanl key start with a new one, which does not have the same set up for attaching the wires to as the old one. On the old one, the magneto wires (2 of them) where on seperate post, with the new key switch, the only place I can see to put them is on the same post. Is this correct? prodj50@skyenet.net :confused:
 
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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

prodg,<br /><br />Does the engine run well for that one minute?<br /><br />Is this a two hose fuel system?<br /><br />It sounds like it is running out of fuel and you are getting a "lean sneeze".
 

Lark40

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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

You cannot use a modern outboard or automotive ignition switch with a magneto engine. The mag requires an open circuit to run, where a car or newer boat uses a closed circuit. Either find an old switch from the 50's on eBay, or make your own.<br /><br />What I have on my 1960 Lark is a key switch for the starter only, and a toggle "kill" switch which grounds the two magneto wires together. Other owners tell me they have done similar wiring.
 

prodj50

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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

Let me see if I have this right. The magneto lines to the old switch where on there to shut the motor down when the key was turned in the off position? In other words, they don't need constant power going to them like I wired them up?<br /><br />as for does the engine run good for the first mintute? yes, but then it back fires and shuts down. It only has a one line fuel system.
 

Chinewalker

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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

Hi Prodj50,<br /> You must have a 1958 Super Seahorse 35 - the first OMC twin with a fuel pump. I suspect your fuel pump is shot - symptoms described sound like you're running the carb bowl empty and then it runs lean and sneezes out.... Rebuild the pump - dealer should have kits. Might even have a fuel pump for you.<br />- Scott
 

rolmops

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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

Hello.<br />Lean sneeze sounds right.<br />If you are unhappy with the new starter key you can go back to the push button system that was popular on the 1957.You can get these push buttons for 3 or 4 box in a marine store, the same as the one for your horn.<br />This will send power to your solenoid switch only when you push it,end of problem.You probably also have an electric choke push button on your dash.This will shut off your engine just like it did in 1957.<br />good luck.
 

prodj50

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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

Okay, what I seem to have MAY be more than one problem. Let me start over. I recently bought a 1958 Johnson Super Sea Horse 35HP outboard motor. It had not been run for several years prior to my purchasing it. When I first hooked it up, I drained the bottom end fluid, and refilled. after having filled a drum with water, I started the motor. It ran shaky at first, then after a few minutes of fine tuning the mixture, it ran like a dream. Several weeks later, after putting it on a newer boat, it started backfiring, and smoking around the magneto area. I promtply shut it down and disconnected the battery. I took the hand pull section off the top of the motor to inspect the coils thru the viewer. I saw that one coil was broken, and plastic parts where all over inside, the other coil was fine. I took off the flywheel, replaced BOTH coils, Points, etc. reset the gap to the manufactures rec. of .020. I also installed new plugs. Put everything back together, except could not remember where the small metal piece with the allen screw went on the link rod assembly which is mounted to a brace on the pull start, at the front of the motor, near the top. (It's a thin wire which goes like a candy cane, and on the short end has a spring, a lever, and the metal object with the allen screw.<br /> 1) can anyone tell me if that metal object goes between the spring and the lever? or is the proper order the sring, lever, and metal object. <br /><br />2) can anyone tell me how do I know if this piece is set like it is supposed to be, since acording to the original owners manual, this mechinism is for the Carb, Choke, and Magneto altogether.<br /><br />3) upon starting the motor now, it still starts, runs for a breif minute (sometimes more, sometimes less than a minute), then backfires, and stalls. It smells, when it is runing, like it is getting too much fuel (burning rich), <br /><br />3'b) and there seems to be an occasional drip of fuel from the choke area/cylindar. <br /><br />4) And could the drip from the choke area be because upon putting the motor in a drum it doesn't set level, and fuel is getting from the carb to the choke area because it runs down hill, instead of level?<br /><br />The magneto wires (two black wires) is solved after taking input from a fellow boater (see above), which I thank very much.<br /><br />By the way, there are no dealers in my area willing to work on an "antique" (they laugh at me when I ask them), and I'm not a rich man, and therefore can't afford a brand new motor for a few months of good clean summer fun with the family. Any help anyone can give me is greatly appreciated.<br /> prdj50@skyenet.net
 

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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

Hello.<br />Don't panick.<br />The only reason that thing is there for,is to prevent you from pull starting the engine with the throttle wide open.It is just a spring loaded device that prevents the little cam follower from moving away from the cam,which is under the flywheel.Play with it until it does just that.<br />If you cannot get it to work that way just take care not to pull start the engine with the throttle wide open and you will never know its not there.<br />The fact that there is a drip of fuel coming out of your carb is possibly due to a faulty float in the little reservoir at the bottom of your carburator.But you said that in the beginning it was ok.Sometimes the packing in the high speed and low speed needles in your carburator is old and the needles will vibrate to a looser position.You can solve that by buying a few packing rings for maybe a buck a piece.Unscrew the needle valves and unscrew the housing, work the additional rings in the cavity ,screw the housing back in and now the needles.The top one hand tight and then 1 1/2 turns back.The bottom one hand tight and then 3/8 of a turn back.<br />This is the approximate setting.<br />For all the parts parts you could possibly need there is www.twincityoutboards.com.<br />The only thing left now is to buy a "Seloc 1956 to 1970 Johnson/Evinrude outboard tune up and repair manual for engines up to 40 horse power" and you are all set.<br />Good luck.
 

fireman 757

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Re: 58 Johnson Outboard - backfiring and dead

I have the same engine only it is pull start. Take your carb off and rebuild (kit is 15.00). Make sure your high speed jet is perfectly clear. Also make sure you replace the needle vavle and float. Sounds like your float might be sticking. When you set the float make sure it is paralell to the carb when turned upside down. This should solve your problem. You also might be overheating. Change your impeller in your water pump. This is only about another 12 to 15.00. Good luck.<br />One more thing. Make sure that your fuel tank is pumped up good and is holding the pressure. If it is losing it's prime it will lean it out and die because it is runnig out of gas.
 
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