68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

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After 2hours of reading, i have come to a conclusion that this battery cdi ignition sys. suks...so what would i need to replace the whole shebang, and is there a kit?^
 

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Re: 68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

Get a repair manual .<br />That the advice I can give you , but if you want rebuild your ignition you need :<br />1 condenser <br />2 Maybe an other ignition coil (auto coil )( not shure if you have to replace it )<br />compare those 2 diagrams you got ( if you asked for them :) )<br /><br />On you engine there are 2 breaker point under the flywheel , they are connected in parallell ,connect your condenser to the wire( black wire inside ,Black/white stripe outside )<br />Connect this wire to the -pol on the coil .<br />Remove amplifier , if you then got current on the +pol ( when ignition is on )<br />There shuld be spark :) <br /><br />Correct me if I am wrong , have not done this before , was just reading the diagram for the engine .
 

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Re: 68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

Don't forget a resistor in series with the coil. Also, you can't use your stock coil (it's grounded to the powerhead). Search the archives here for advice on swapping to standard points/coil ignition - lots of stuff on it 2 or 3 years back, or talk to any older auto mechanic. They used them in cars for half a century.
 

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Re: 68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

On older cars ( Whith points ) they connected an resistor in series whith the current to the +pol on the coil ,when starting the engine they bypased this resistor to get a stronge spark ( when starter engine was running ).
 
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Re: 68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

^ was hoping ledgefinder would elaborate on why the need for a resistor??? and in line or from (+) post of coil to ground.
 

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Re: 68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

Hah!, couldn't sleep so I have a chance to answer this. The ballast resistor limits the current through the coil, so your points don't burn out as fast.<br /><br />Standard points/coil setup is as follows. Hot (+12V) lead, with ballast resistor, to one side of coil. Other side of coil goes to points. When the points close, they complete the circuit path to ground, applying 12V across the coil. When the points OPEN, the magnetic at the coil is rapidly collapsed, generating the spark. <br /><br />The condensor (really a capacitor) is in parallel with the points, cutting down on arcing across the points. <br /><br />Some other notes. 1) The coil you now have is grounded to the block, so you have to either mount it differently, or get another coil. 2) Points/coil ignitions were used in cars for half a century, so the necessary parts can be scrounged from any auto salvage yard (coil, ballast resistor, condensor). 3) Ballast resistors vary. You can buy a separate one at your local NAPA, or some coils have a ballast resistor built in, or OMC used a 'special' white resistor wire on the lead from the motor contol box. 4) OMC used points/coil ignition on a bunch of the V4s, in the 1960s, before they started doing the battery/CD ignitions in 1968/9. If you grab a wiring diagram, you can see how they did it. 5) You have two sets of points, used to get the right dwell (I guess). 6) Most older auto mechanics know all this points/coil stuff by second nature. 7) You may have a slightly increased tendency to foul plugs on extended idling (reason they went to CD ignitions in the first place), and you will want to check the point gap every 200 hours or so. 8) Search the archives here on the issue, particularly 2-3 years back.<br /><br />Have fun!
 
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Re: 68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

thx ledge..am currently doing the search, trying to gather all relevant info...lol
 
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Re: 68 v-4 65 hp Ignition woes

ok guys. So far got a resistor, inline with positive 12v to coil, added condensor to negative sidepost of coil, and low an behold, heard my engine start for the first time since i bought it!<br />Testing the ol gal tomorrow on the water...(boats rated for a 50 hp...an this ol motor is a 65...quite a bit more weight.) so far with my battery cdi to automotive coil conversion, all is going well thanks to all you guys input.,,,,lol got any specs on the dual points and plugs now??????
 
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