72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

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gootie

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I have an 85hp Evinrude (1972) Hydroelectric shift that had the wrong lower unit oil in. I went to the dealer and bought the premium blend oil and put a the hole quart in. When I was in the water, it would not shift into forward unless I revved the engine then it would clunk into gear. I do not have reverse either. What causes the clunk into gear and will it hurt to run without reverse for the rest of the season.

Dave
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

you put a hole quart in, did it fill the lower, if not fill it. it shifts with solenoids, that direct oil to the shifter. unless full, you cannot expect it to work properly.

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The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

I have an 85hp Evinrude (1972) Hydroelectric shift that had the wrong lower unit oil in. I went to the dealer and bought the premium blend oil and put a the hole quart in. When I was in the water, it would not shift into forward unless I revved the engine then it would clunk into gear. I do not have reverse either. What causes the clunk into gear and will it hurt to run without reverse for the rest of the season.

Dave

Those are really strange symptoms. I suspect an electrical problem somewhere. If so, it could fail at any time. Fortunatly, it is designed to go into forward gear if something fails so you can get home. Sometimes it does not fail as designed though.

Do you have the Evinrude push-button control?
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

It has a Johnson control. I checked the voltage at the wires and I am getting 9 volts on the Green wire when in neutral and 9 volts on both when in reverse.

I double checked to oil and it is full. I ran it in the driveway and it would not engage forward or reverse.

How hard is it to take the lower unit off to look inside and maybe clean out oil reservoir.

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

9 volts is not correct. It should be closer to 12V.
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

It has a Johnson control. I checked the voltage at the wires and I am getting 9 volts on the Green wire when in neutral and 9 volts on both when in reverse.

I double checked to oil and it is full. I ran it in the driveway and it would not engage forward or reverse.

How hard is it to take the lower unit off to look inside and maybe clean out oil reservoir.

Dave

Tearing into the lower unit is the wrong thing to do until you determine where the trouble lies. Besides, special tools are needed.

You already know the voltages are wrong. Go the second step and determine if it shifts correctly by using jumpers at the motor. The instructions have been posted here many times.

Want an educated guess? The switch arm is broken in the remote control. Let me know if that was a good guess. It IS a guess.
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

With the engine shut off, you have no hydrualic pressure. If the engine does not shift to forward when shut down, you could have a broken clutch dog spring, or the correct term is plunger spring. There is most certainly something jamming that case.If that case was empty of oil, it would go to forward gear. If you have a service manual, it will show, and explain how it work's.
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

It was not empty but had the wrong oil in it. It has a 1970 (?) Johnson remote.

I disconnected the knife connectors and ran a jumper wire while turning the engine over (spark plugs removed) and the prop did not move if forward or reverse. Is that was I was suppose to look for?

What would cause the low voltage and how do I fix that? Could that be the cause? Does that mean the switch is bad?

The switch arm is not broken in the remote. I took the remote apart and it is intact.
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

Ok, I now have reverse and neutral but no forward. the prop spins freely when engine is off. I started it in the driveway prop does not spin forward. I have read that the hydro-electric shift is by default in forward.

What would cause this?

thanks,

Gootie
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

Anybody respond to this please. I took the controls apart and noticed the shifter switch is broken. The switch glides with the throttle stick. Check that.
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

Let this thread die van. If you have a new issue it's best if you start your own thread.
 

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Re: 72 85hp Evinrude Hydroelectric shift problems

Anybody respond to this please. I took the controls apart and noticed the shifter switch is broken. The switch glides with the throttle stick. Check that.

Since you are not the original poster AND this thread is over 3 yrs old..... it violates the forum rules. This was in the archives. Please do not hijack threads and start your own thread with a question - it's free.

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