73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

tevans720

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I have a 1973 Johnson 50 hp and today I went to change the LU oil and it was milk. So I beleave thats cuz there is water getting in there.

What would cause that? What normally needs to be replaced when water is in it? I know its a bad sign but how ez is it to fix?

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Tyler
 

Vic.S

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

It ceratinly is a bad sign. There are several places that it could be getting in.

Propshaft seals, drive shaft seals. shift rod seal, drain/levelplug washers.

In is not normally worth doing one lot of seals without the others so a complete lower unit reseal and pressure test is the best option.


Service the water pump at the same time!
 

tevans720

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

Water pump was just redone 3 weeks ago. I think I'm going to replace the propshaft seal then test it cuz I dont have to remove the LU to do that. I know I should do all but have never done it and also don't have the money right now to take it in. So if the prop seal works then great that will give me some time to get the $$ to do them all.


Does anyone know where I can get a diagram that shows all the seals. Well I do have one in my repair book but it don't point out the ones needing to be replaced.

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

The parts diagrams are on various websites including the BRP Parts catalog

Probably a good idea to do the prop shaft seals. They are probably the most vunerable. I have not looked but usually there are two facing opposite ways so note how there are positioned as they come out. I expect you'll need a O ring for the housing as well but you'll see from the diagram.

It's always said that you should renew the washers on the drain and level plugs every time you change the oil as well. It is possible that's all that is needed but i have to admit to never having changed mine!
 

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

The first thing I would do is drain the lower unit oil and replace it with compatible oil that has a moisture inhibitor mixed in with it. I have never changed the prop seals, so I don't know how difficult or expensive it would be.

On the other hand, I have run many lower units that have leaks I would just check it before each use. I would keep LU oil on hand and a pump handy. Before each use, I would top the LU off with fresh oil. Most of the time I would pump extra oil in, pushing a lot of the milky oil out. Water will be in the gear case, but unless the leak is severe, to the point where you are losing a significant amount of oil every time you take your boat out, you should be fine. Also, check eBay for a new lower, because yours may not last long. I emphasize the word may, because I have seen LU's last for years with leaks.

The thing with these old engines, is that it costs a lot of $ to fix them. Especially when you talk about a major overhaul, like taking apart a LU to change seals. It becomes more expensive than what it's worth. You never know what the mechanic will tell you, he may say you need all new bearings and gears. I would never have a LU of that age rebuilt, unless I totally trusted the mechanic, ex. a relative, etc. Even then, I would look for a used one on eBay, preferably from a seller with A+ feedback and a high score.

I know that all of you old pro's out there will disagree with running a LU that has milky oil, but remember, the thing is 35 yrs old. How much money should you put into a 35 yr old gas hogging engine that will most likely develop another problem before the year is out?

My advice is to keep it running with the least amount of $ possible.
 

tevans720

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

Well I don't really agree with running to often with it leaking. And changing the seals isn't really that much maybe about 300 or so. The motor is worth a good 800 if good working cond. I know a few people that may do it cheaper cuz they are the in laws friend.

I'm going to change the prop seals first and check it. It's less then 10 bucks for prop seals at least as far as I know. If it fixes it cool if not well I'll start shoppin around.

I changed the oil last night and took it out today running it very little just from one fishin spot to another. It was too dark when I got home to check the oil so in the morn I'm going to check and see how bad it is.


Thanks for the advice I'll let y'all know in the morn.
Tyler
 

tevans720

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

Well I checked it yesterday and it doesnt seem to bad. The oil isn't milky but it looks like there is a small leak. I haven't gotten to the prop seals yet probly this week some time.

In your opinion is it worth it changing out the LU seals? The motor runs good and strong fires up like a charm and runs great. So I think the motor is good not sure on the LU with bad seals and all. So should I replace the seals or get a new LU?

Thanks
Tyler
 

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

It is impossible to say what state the LU is in without careful inspection.

If it seems OK, no roughness in the bearings etc, replace the seals. All of them is the best advice that can be given.

I doubt if doing any more would make economic sense with a motor that old.
 

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

To find where the leak(s) are, pressurize to no more than 15 psig and submerge the LU in water. The bubbles will tell. Make sure to drain the gear oil 1st. Once repaired, a good LU should hold some pressure or vacuum for at least 45 minutes.

A shop manual (OEM) will be helpful here. Note that some prop shaft seals may be replaced w/o removing the bearing carrier (a very hard job on motors that have seen salt sometimes).
 

borz170

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

Just run it. It's old, make it work for you, don't work for it...

Just my 2c...

By the way, my bro has been running a '76 V4 with the same type of leak for 3 years, at least 2x a week all NORTHERN summer...
 

tevans720

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

The only thing with that is I have hydraulics for the LU and water can ruin that pump.

I'm still running it but checking the oil after everytime out and changing it as needed. I'm gonna go through alot of oil doing it this way but its better than messin up the pump.
 

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

tevans720 - "The only thing with that is I have hydraulics for the LU and water can ruin that pump."

Im thinking your saying that you have a trim and tilt for your lu, this system does not use the oil thats in your lu. Its a completly seperate system with a completly different oil. Hydraulic oil is much thinner than gear oil. So haveing a leak in your lower unit will not affect the hydraulics of your t/t.

And I agree with every one, Id say as long as your not going on a 5hour cruise at WOT or anything and change your oil on a regular basis you should be ok for a while. Seriously its a 73. I kick my self in the rear for the money ive dumped into an 88!



Frank Wood
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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

Prop shaft seals are typically two seals, installed back to back. One to seal for pressure and the other for vacuum. Note the orientation when removing the old seals, and if the prop shaft is grooved at the seal seating surface, try to install new seals to miss the grooved areas. The BRP website should give the seal part nos. and I wouldn't expect them to be very expensive.
 

tevans720

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

tevans720 - "The only thing with that is I have hydraulics for the LU and water can ruin that pump."

Im thinking your saying that you have a trim and tilt for your lu, this system does not use the oil thats in your lu.


No, the LU is a powershift that uses a hydraulic pump, it is located in the LU behind the forward gear. At least thats what the book is telling me for my type of motor. Its mech shift with hyd assist.

Quote from the book
"If the lubricant in the lower unit is low, contaminated with water, or is broken down because of overuse, the shift mechanism may be affected. Water in the lower unit is VERY BAD NEWS for a number of reasons, particularly when the lower unit has hydraulic components. Hydraulic units will not function with water in the system."

Thats what I'm worried about, I just don't wanna screw up *hit more that it already is. Yet as you all keep saying it is a '73 and still running strong so its got to be a good system. I'm eventually going to get it all fixed but don't have the extra cash right now this $4 gallon of gas *hit is hurting my budget.

So all in all I think I'll be ok for just going to one fishin spot to another from what y'all are saying. Just the hyd worries me a bit.
 

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

If it were mine and I planned to keep it, I would get it fixed. A few seals, not too much money, any metal parts, lots of dinero. Just my opinion.
 

tevans720

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Re: 73 Johnson 50hp water in lower unit?

Yep thats what I think. If it runs good it don't matter how old it is either in my opinion.

Well thanks for all the advise.

Tyler
 
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