78 evinrude low rpm problems

rwash91

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Greetings all: I am new to this forum and also quite confused as to what may be wrong with this engine. Let me start at the beginning. I recently "aquired" this engine from a friend that rarely ran this boat. After trying to run the boat on the water for the first time this year we discovered that it wouldn't idle properly,but would in fact run good @ wot. I started with the basics.New gas @ 50:1. New Spark plugs...2 types. 1st were UL77v and then tried L77JC4 which are currently in the engine. I then checked the fuel line and bulb which appear to be working correctly and then rebuilt the fuel pump. I removed the carbs and they were spotless although did appear to have the wrong idle jets. The book says the orfice should be .033 and they were more like for a 115 motor being .028. I drilled them with a #65 drill bit which is .035 which is .002 bigger than called for. I know that drilling jets is in some eyes is a no-no but I can get the right ones after problems are solved. Nevertheless, carbs are clean ,floats set according to book and should be fine.I did a compression test to find all cylinders between 122 and 126. I then checked the coils via the book and discovered the resistance to be bad on all 4 coils. 2 were giving me ohm readings near 2000 and 2 were giving me open winding readings. I thought this was the problem even though they would jump a 1/2 inch gap while cranking. I bought 4 new coils and they didn't change a thing. I have synched the carbs and timing according to the book and can run the engine with muffs on and it will idle in or out of gear at around 700 rpm.Runs great!! When I hook it to the tractor and put it in my pond it will immediatly die at an idle.I took the prop off and it still dies at an idle. The exhaust ports that are up high on the engine seem to be open and exhaust does come out of them. I am really stumped as to why this engine will run fine out of the water with muffs on and then when I put it in the water(pond) it refuses to run right. Before I got the engine, the stator had been replaced and I believe the power pack as well. This engine has 1977 ignition system for some reason, and my book as well as the engine is a 78.This is limiting me on my trobleshooting of the ignition. I will have one that covers a 77 tomorrow. However the only thing really left is the timer coils which I will check then. The engine model by the way is a 140883. I believe it is something in the exhaust though. I just wanted to get some opinions before I start tearing this thing apart. I'll have to admit that this one really has me stumped. While the carbs were off I could see that the reeds appeared to all be shut and without damage. Is there something inside the lower unit or exhaust that could be goofed up and not letting the exhaut out ?? An internal water leak?? I'll keep a close eye out for any questions that someone may have for me. Thanks for any help in advance...Randy
 

jtexas

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Re: 78 evinrude low rpm problems

welcome to the forum!

First thing to know is, even a motor that won't run worth a **** in the water will run like a dream on the muffs. Very common experience.

You probably did this, but just to be sure...those idle orfices can get varnished up especially in a rarely-used motor - carb cleaner and compressed air works wonders...

Did you set the timing with the motor in the water? Could make all the difference.
 

rwash91

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Re: 78 evinrude low rpm problems

I drilled the small jets And then blew them out with air. I didn't try to set the timing with it in the water because I don't think I could keep it running long enough to get it set. I did however set it with muffs. 3 Deg. at idle and then I just pulled the throttle arm (cable unhooked) to wide open and set timing to 28 deg. max. After putting in the pond I then turned up the idle screw( low timing) to try and get her to run . If I get the timing/idle up to around 1200 rpm when I put it in gear it will stay running,but very rough.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: 78 evinrude low rpm problems

You may not have the idle high enough. The idle needs to be set in the water, with the boat at normal rest. 900-950 in neutral 650 in gear. Out of the water, the same engine will idle at 1100 or 1200 on the muffs. 28 is too much timing the way you set it. The actual timing will creep when at 5000 rpm, perhaps 4 degrees or more. Reset the max timing for now, then re-time it later in the water. When running the engine, put a timing light on each plug wire and check for strong, constant flashes. Watch for misfires or weak flashes.
 

rwash91

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Re: 78 evinrude low rpm problems

I believe I read that in this forum somewhere about the timing and I will reset it. As a matter of fact I think thats about what I had to move it....4 deg. If I set the idle that high it will usually keep running for me. When I do that,the idle screw(low speed timing screw ) is just about all the way in. Does that sound right to you? I got the other manual I was expecting from the library last night and the only checks it gives for the power pack is one with a neon tester. I guess I'll have to break down and get one or else take it somewhere and have them check it. I was able to do simple ohms checks on the timer base and stator assembly. They check good. What about the exhaust on that engine ?? Can those relief ports be drilled like a merc? If so I wouldn't hesitate to drill them? My hearing is bad anyway..lol. Thanks for all the help. We'll lick this thing sooner or later!
 

rwash91

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Re: 78 evinrude low rpm problems

I have taken the boat to a retired repairman to see if I have overlooked something and to have the powerpack tested as well. I tried some seafoam in the engine yesterday, (some in the plug holes) and then a whole can of it in with 3 gallons of premix. That probably cleaned the hell out of everything but still didn't help the low rpm problem.
Does anyone know if you can drill the upper exhaust ports on that engine? I know there is water behind it , just now sure where. Also what about reedvalves ?? From what I understand they may look fine but could be the cause of an engine running like this?
 
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