80SPL No Spark

ccnstlr

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Good day all. I ran the motor on the muffs last weekend for a few minutes and all was well. Hooked her on the truck and went to the river only to have the motor not even attempt to start.

I have done the following trying to diagnose after reading many posts by iboats members:
1. Removed the plugs and checked for spark. Had a very occasional weak fire barely strong enough to jump the spark plug gap.
2. Removed the fuel line and turned the motor over to make sure pump was working; pumped a good stream. Manually fed fuel with the primer solenoid. So fuel is not the problem. Also with plug out and spinning over the motor can see fuel mist coming out of the plug hole and evidence of fuel from the exhaust.
3. Ohmed accross the coils, they all ohmed the same (don't remember the value).
4. Removed all coils and cleaned the bare 'ground' strap and the block to ensure good conductivity. No change.
5. Used a commercial spark plug tester (with a light that flashes with spark) and no spark seen on any cylinder. Tried the tester on a mower and ensured the light was not burnt. (This tester should light on the outboard I would think. ???)
6. Battery is new, fully charged and spins the motor pretty fast. All connections at the motor and battery are fine.
7. Separated the wiring harness at the motor (2 plugs on this model) and no change.
8. Separated the kill wire (blk/yel) and no change.
9. Followed the test procedures from the rapair troubleshooting guide.
a. Ohmed the Timer Base - white to the 4 trigger wires all about 44 Ohms (spec is 35-55)
b. Removed the alternator wires (yellow and yellow/gray) and still no spark.
c. Checked voltage from yellow to ground, got 5.43 volts, and yel/gry to ground and got the same (VAC). Started to get suspect right here.
d. Ohmed the stator to ground to check for short. Was open to ground, so not shorted.
e. Unplugged the stator and ohmed from A to B. That reading was 13MOhm and the spec on that is 450-550 without quickstart and 950-1100 on quickstart models.
f. With the stator plugged into the Powerpack, I read VAC across the brown and brn/yel and read 54volts. That should be 150+.
10. Also replace two of the spark plug wires due to the hood latches pulling on them and separating one of the bottom wires.

So after all of the above, I feel pretty sure the stator is the culprit, but maybe one of you "salty dog" experts can verify that the test procedure on the stator was correct and that the problem seems to lie there.

Thanks.
 

ccnstlr

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

tashasdaddy, thanks for the reply.
 
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ccnstlr

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

the procedure is exactly what I did. So stator seems to be correct diagnosis.
 

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

Have you unplugged the big red plug in the port side pan area? If you do and start the motor, it will need to be stopped using choke/primer, disconnecting fuel, etc. That plug will isolate the problem(s) to the motor. You will have to use a clip on switch to start, since the keyswitch and everything external is eliminated.

Your "f" item is with motor running I believe, not cranking and the voltage may be OK, although ohms indicate a bad stator. Look for signs of brown ooze under the flywheel which is what happens most of the time in the case of a bad stator. If you have a spare powerpack, I would try that first.
 

ccnstlr

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

Doesn't have a big red plug, has 2 smaller plugs (my Item #7). No change.

"f" - the 150V value is the spec when you have no spark on any cylinder, so it couldn't be while running.

don't have a spare pack. don't see ooze from under the flywheel. but haven't removed the flywheel yet.
 

Tadd_P

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

does that motor have a trigger? if so replace that before the stator or power pack man that is a problem i just solved myself on my 1979 115 outboard.
 

ccnstlr

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

thanks for the replies.
it has a timer base, and according to the test procedure (well, the resistance test anyways) it is in spec on all 4 trigger wires. Just tenths of an ohm difference between them, so it seems to be good. If just one cylinder missing I would lean toward the timer base, but no fire on any of the cylinders seems to point to stator or pack. the fact that the stator is only putting out about 5.5 volts on the alternator side also has me leaning towards it.
 

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

Doesn't have a big red plug, has 2 smaller plugs (my Item #7). No change.

"f" - the 150V value is the spec when you have no spark on any cylinder, so it couldn't be while running.

don't have a spare pack. don't see ooze from under the flywheel. but haven't removed the flywheel yet.

Sounds like those plugs do the same thing, so it's not a ignition sw or safety sw problem. Looks more like a stator issue, as long as all wiring is OK. You just want to be careful, since all the ignition pieces are expensive items.
 

ccnstlr

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Re: 80SPL No Spark

thanks Jim.
Unfortunately I'm quite familiar with the 'prices' of ignition components, my E175 has a new stator, regulator/rect., and another flywheel...pheeew.
 

ccnstlr

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UPDATE: 80SPL No Spark

UPDATE: 80SPL No Spark

Well, went with the gut and bought a stator. Put it on this morning, and a few revs of the motor and she fired and runs beautifully. Just wanted to thank all of you for the input.
 
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