85 hp evinrude 1975

low944

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I cannot get this motor started. I have good spark on all plugs, took carbs apart and cleaned them, if i spray starter fluid in carbs it backfires once. i can see the carbs get kinda wet in barrel when cranking (does this mean the fuel pump is working?. i do not know if these are correct carbs either. they are labeled "1" on front of them. does this mean 1" pict? well any help/advice would be appreciated. thanx :confused:
 

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Re: 85 hp evinrude 1975

ok results are in for compression and are as follows.. <br />cylinder 1 = 120 psi<br />cylinder 2 = 110 psi<br />cylinder 3 = 115 psi<br />cylinder 4 = 105 psi<br />I did the compression test 3 times on each cylinder. I also checked the fuel pump by disconnecting the line from the filter to the carbs and cranking the motor over a few times, and i had squirts. the motor now seems to want to start, just firing once or twice, and backfiring sometimes. i also noticed that when it wants to start i can see the bottom carb suck in air or so it seems like a mist and either sucking or blowing
 

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Re: 85 hp evinrude 1975

First off, welcome to iboats.<br /> <br />Are you mixing your gas and oil 50:1?<br />Instead of using starting fluid try spraying in some pre-mix of gas and oil in a spray bottle, directly into the carbs. The choke flaps need to be completely closed while cranking a cold engine. This helps to draw in the fuel into the engine. Be sure before doing any of this that you first sqeeze the primer bulb until its tight. Also make sure the warm up lever is fully raised. One last thing, not to sound stupid, but you are running water to the engine with muffs, or the motor is in the water?
 

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Re: 85 hp evinrude 1975

i am using fresh gas (89 octane) with correct mix 50:1 or 1 pint to 6 gallons. i have learned not to use the starter fluid, so i am no longer using it. i have tried pre mix in a spray bottle. I get the same sputters (one or two), and sometimes a backfire. i do use the full choke. i prime until the bulb is tight with the warm up lever fully raised. i have the motor in a tub of water up to past the water inlet holes. i have been told to check the flywheel key to make sure it is not sheared. i am going to attempt this sometime today. do you know anything about timing for these things? could this be the issue? i will post again once i have removed the flywheel to check the flywheel key. thank you for your help!
 

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Re: 85 hp evinrude 1975

The next thing you need to invest in is a manual.<br />Timing is to much detail to go into without a manual. <br /><br />
i also noticed that when it wants to start i can see the bottom carb suck in air or so it seems like a mist and either sucking or blowing
This may be a clue. Did you check the reeds when you had the carbs off? Sounds like possibly one of them may be broken or chipped.<br />I would look at the ones that supplies fuel/air to cylinder number 4, which is the bottom carb.
 

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Re: 85 hp evinrude 1975

problem fixed!! it was the flywheel key sheared off! so i guess the fly wheel was out of place. i replaced the key and put the flywheel back on and it fired right up! now that it is running though, out in the water i cannot get the motor to go over 3000 rpm. it also boggs down and cuts off when i push the throttle all the way forward. thanks for your help.
 

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Re: 85 hp evinrude 1975

Make sure the butterflies on the carbs are open all the way and the timing linkage is up against the stop at wot. You can do this of course with the engine off at home.<br />Have you checked your timing at wot? <br />Here is a method of checking your timing at home.<br />_________________________________________________<br /><br />(Timing At Cranking Speed 4°)<br />(J. Reeves)<br />The full spark advance can be adjusted without have the engine running at near full throttle as follows. <br /><br />To set the timing on that engine, have the s/plugs out, and have the throttle at full, set that timer base under the flywheel tight against the rubber stop on the end of the full spark timer advance stop screw (wire it against that stop if necessary). <br /><br />Rig a spark tester and have the gap set to 7/16". Hook up the timing light to the #1 plug wire. Crank the engine over and set the spark advance to 4° less than what the engine calls for. <br /><br />I don't know the full spark advance setting your engine calls for, but to pick a figure, say your engine calls for 28°, set the timing at 24°. The reasoning for the 4° difference is that when the engine is actually running, due to the nature of the solid state ignition componets, the engine gains the extra 4°. <br /><br />If you set the engine to its true setting at cranking speed, when running it will advance beyond its limit by 4° which will set up pre-ignition causing guaranteed piston damage! You don't want that to take place. <br /><br />No need to be concerned about the idle timing as that will take care of itself. The main concern is the full advance setting<br />_________________________________________________<br /><br />After you check it this way you need to verify it on the water do this by backing the boat into the lake, but leave it on the trailor. You will need two people. Hook up the timing light and have somebody start the engine and shift it into gear at wot, and check the timing again.
 
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