85 Johnson GT 150 still surging, fuel line diameter?

jskise3

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My 85 Johnson GT 150 is still surging. After it hits 4000 rpms, after a few seconds its like it starves for fuel and the rpms will drop, then it catches back up and surges forward, then drops again. Up to 4k it starts, idles and runs flawlessy. I replaced the VRO with the 83 model fuel pumps in line. Does the same thing as the VRO. I replaced the fuel line with 5/16. Is that big enough? could that cause this problem? Every part of the ignition is brand new? I dunno what else to do. Also I noticed the pick up coming from the tank doesn't have anti syphon. Could that be it? some ideas would be great, thanks in advance! I just had the carbs cleaned again today but cant get it out until tomorrow, could a high speed jet been the problem after 4k?
 

Will Bark

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hAVE YOU TRIED TO PUMP THE PRIMER BULB WHEN IT STARTS DOING THIS? Check your pick-up tube for a restriction. Others will chime in with more hopefully. Good luck
 

emdsapmgr

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3/8" line should be used on all V6 engines. 5/16" is for the V4's. Sounds like a fuel problem. The old-style dual premix pumps should provide adequate fuel to run a high compression 235, so should be just fine for your 150 (165 hp version). Agree, when at WOT, have a friend constantly prime the fuel hose bulb-this will force extra fuel into the carbs. If it runs better as long as you constantly prime the fuel hose bulb, its, a starvation problem. Could be: 1. wrong pumps (undersize) 2. undersize fuel hose from the tank (5/16 instead of 3/8"). 3. bad ball valves in the fuel hose bulb. (try a factory 3/8" hose.) 4. loose fuel pickup inside the tank, permitting air to get sucked in at the top where the tube meets the tank pickup head. 5. Incorrect fuel hoses to the carbs-generic hoses which will bend (restrict) when bent into 90 degree curves. These should be special hoses which are sold by part number by Bombardier. 6. You could have a fuel restriction inside one of the carbs-which could include debris in a jet. The reason for the up/down rpm's is that the demand for fuel outstrips the engine's ability to supply it to the carbs. Will run fine at WOT for a while, till the carbs run out of fuel. Then it will slow, allowing the pump to catch up and refill the carbs. Then the rpm's will increase again. This will repeat over and over-any time over 4000 in your case. Again, make sure you have the correct part number dual pumps (they all look the same) and the correct fuel distribution hoses when you converted from VRO to the dual pumps.
 

jskise3

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I don't think it's the pumps because it did the same thing at the same rpm with the vro pump, bulb is new, the lines I guess need to be replaced with 3/8
 

jskise3

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The 90 commin from the bottom bowl on the top carb was broken.... What was left of the copper sticking out, someone shoved the fuel line onto n it was half kinked. Think that would be it?
 
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